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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4354826 - 06/30/05 09:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Hmmm anyone else disappointed with harmala growing rythm?

My outdoor patch is alive but the growth is basic, whereas plants all around are growing at very good rythms... I palnted it at a semi-arid place and i dont water too often for fear of plants dying

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4355134 - 06/30/05 11:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I should upload a few pics...

Actually I?m quite pleased. Don?t expect them to grow like vines ?

(Tip: Right Here , Right Now that we have dessert simulation, ( Extremely hot n dry) watering them more often is not a bad idea, but still let the soil dry before doing so)


Transplanting is better to be avoided . Use a big clay pot right from the beginning.
It also seems that they prefer to get crowded.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4358737 - 07/01/05 07:56 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Distribution :

Syrian rue is distributed from the eastern Mediterranean region over northern India (Rajasthan) and in to Mongolia and Manchuria ( Shultes 1970,25*). It is common in Yemen and Negev Dessert. In southern Europe, the plant can occasionally be found on Cyprus and less frequently in Greece (Sfikas 1990,140*)

From personal search I found the book of Mr. Sfikas:
Wild Flowers of Crete by George Sfikas
Published by the Efstathiades Group, 1987/2000; 8vo; paperback; pp310+contents

(...)The Plant has also been interpreted as the legendary magical plant known as moly.
(From a quick search I found that moly might also be : Galanthus (G. nivalis and G. woronowii) ? snowdrop)

*All these were from the book "THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF PSYCHOACTIVE PLANTS"

So this is a proof that there is P.harmala in Greece and surely it can survive through winter.

So I can guess that in Greece we can't find many P. harmalas from one of two reasons.
1) Change of climate from hot (In ancient Greece) to less hot.
2) Destruction from Christianity. I've read from many books that Christianity did vanish many herbs, in order to prevent other cults to practice their rituals.

On my garden now. These are two out of 7 pots with single or groop P. harmalas.





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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4359009 - 07/01/05 10:02 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Very Very Very nice research!

Keep in mind though that Crete and Cyprus are warmer than us.It seems highly likely though that the plant could survive so seed on! We have got so many "almost barren" landscapes with irritating bushes that some harmala could liven up!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4359952 - 07/01/05 02:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So, we need a map, and some hands to throw the seeds in these "almost barren" areas. Come on! Let's get organised!
You do the same as I did in my village. 8-9 of July I'll go back and check the progress.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4361625 - 07/01/05 10:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

u should be carefull though. some pants and animal species can cause alot of trouble to the local wildlife and alot of governments have lerned to be kinda harsh about penealties.
so dont get caught :wink:


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4368681 - 07/04/05 04:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Here comes the photo update.
As you can see it enjoys social life :laugh:

The weather is now really hot & dry (~35C , 20 RH ) and harmala seems to make party every day!



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4368686 - 07/04/05 04:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

lol yeah theire realy developing well :smile:
i now have 3 sproutings going on :smile:

i noticed that it is better for me to water on the dish rather then mist the soil...


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Vertigo6911]
    #4368690 - 07/04/05 04:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

"Rain simulation" is the best!

Do it only after the soil has dried out!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4368766 - 07/04/05 06:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Ytse : They are too many on this pot. Shouldn't you put less seeds ?
They will not grow fast I think! In one of my photos I am holding a seedling. Really big roots.


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4368940 - 07/04/05 08:42 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

They don't seem to have any problem.
Contrary they seem to support one each other.
They may look too many but they are growing better than the less densely planted pot!


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4392071 - 07/11/05 10:51 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

So...

Out of 40 seeds i have planted in my pot 16 have emerged! That gives me a 40% germination rate ,out of seeds that have sat in at tin box for a year (at least since i dont know how long they were in.. "vendor captivity") purchased from one of those popular vendors! Thats preety good if you ask me!

My outdoor patch is doing good as well,im quite happy with the growth although under no circumstances impressed! Hey,at least they sprouted and they are growing,what more a man can ask for in his life ? :wink:

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4392099 - 07/11/05 11:03 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

According to Dioscorides it's varius names are :

Syrians : besasa
Egyptians : epnubu
Africans : churma
Cappadocians and Asian Galatia : moly (becouse it's like the other plant moly wich has black root and white flowers)


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4392152 - 07/11/05 11:27 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4392207 - 07/11/05 11:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Apart from the fact that i dont undestand a word on the links you give this one is suspicious

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http://web.kyoto-inet.or.jp/people/tiakio/HN/peganon.html




Click on the bottom to see the "Ruta Graveolens" photo...Hmmm,it takes you to the reputed "Peganon" photo.Ruta graveolens is known as Peganon but it has nothing to do with Peganum Harmala. Veeeeeery Veeeeeeeery carefull with common names ,they usually point out wrong plants.Personally i would check "local" and "emperical" names talking to people to help me find a plant,but before checking it i wouldnt up my hopes...Many people have shown me "agriopiganon" which ended up to be...Ruta Graveolens!

Indeed,look at the picture at the bottom what it spells out


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4393001 - 07/11/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

thats a really neat pictures thanks

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: mattymonkey]
    #4394114 - 07/11/05 10:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

yeah it rocks dude

Psiloman: Do you know the names of the plants that tell you that are agriopiganos ?


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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Tinkal]
    #4395132 - 07/12/05 06:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Photo update:



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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: ytse]
    #4395275 - 07/12/05 08:50 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

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Psiloman: Do you know the names of the plants that tell you that are agriopiganos ?




Its usually Ruta Graveolens. Ruta Graveolens is also the picture in my signature post that..."rocks". It rocks,but it aint Peganum Harmala!

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Re: Notes on Growing Peganum Harmala (Syrian Rue) [Re: Psiloman]
    #4395415 - 07/12/05 10:12 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Had some sprouts fellow GREEK boys!!!!

Gonna try again and join in to see what i can do ok!!!
Had some a few years back,but the heat killed them.
Got them under floro tubes for a few weeks.wee'l see?


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