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Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes
#4343588 - 06/27/05 03:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Although some may assume that I'm a thief, based on stereotyping my appearance, I have in fact rarely dabbled in the world of shoplifting or general thievery. This isn't based on some moral or ethical dilemma, but rather ignorance on the rules of the game. This post is not meant to be a question on your own subjective opinion in this area, but more of an invitation for stories, advice, tips of the trade, and that sort of thing.
My interest in shoplifting has arisen after reading an interesting book called "Evasion", an anarcho-punk publication about dumpster-diving, homelessness, and shoplifting. The people who write the stories in the book are intelligent, and have thought-out and even philosophical reasoning behind their actions. These are my kinds of people.
I want to learn how to shoplift as if it were an art, and I want to be prepared for the consequences if I happen to get caught. What kind of jail time would I be facing if I got caught stealing something under $50? If someone did try to chase me down, I'm confident I could out-run them; but are there other things to consider? Should I make attempts at disguising my identity before entering a target store? If I am caught on camera, will they approach me before I attempt to leave the store?
Any advice or stories you could provide will be greatly appreciated, as like I said before, I am new to this world, and want to do things right.
Also, I don't ever plan on stealing from non-chain stores. I don't believe in stealing from my fellow man, but places like Wal-Mart, on the other hand, don't fall into the "my fellow man" category, and could spare things for me, I'm sure.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343603 - 06/27/05 03:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not hard. A lot of cameras in stores are fake. The key is to have baggy pants. You just turn around so no one can see, drop it down the front of your pants and walk out. If someone says something just run, some chain stores have a "no chase" policy, so as soon as you're out of the store you're home free.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343613 - 06/27/05 03:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm way too paranoid to do it to be honest
I've heard of a lot of kids in huddies (hooded tops) going into cd shops and putting the cd's in their hoods, apparently the alrams dont go off because (if theyre tall) the cd's (in the hoods) go over the vertical alarm thingies. Not sure how true it is though but thaught id mention it
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343621 - 06/27/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Youre asking for trouble getting into that sort of lifestyle. Sure the rush is awesome, but that goes away as soon as you get caught. Luckly I got caught at a tender age of 16 yr old, stealing candy from a convenience store. My parents actually caught me with the stuff in my room, and brought me to the police station just to scare me. I had to wash cop cars for like 2 months every weekend. lol. And nowadays the security even in places like Walmart are decent, every door has a scanner that looks for items that have a little tag on the product. Just my two cents, just be prepared to face the consquences.
Another thing is simple misdeamenor theft usually doesnt lead to jail time, just a hefty fine and some community serivce, though i have heard of kids going to jail for products under 100 dollars.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343622 - 06/27/05 03:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: It's not hard. A lot of cameras in stores are fake. The key is to have baggy pants. You just turn around so no one can see, drop it down the front of your pants and walk out. If someone says something just run, some chain stores have a "no chase" policy, so as soon as you're out of the store you're home free.
Wouldnt' the item fall through your trousers and plop on the floor or have i got the wrong end of the stick... ?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: mikeyboy]
#4343624 - 06/27/05 03:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah, I know a girl who put a CD in her purse and then just started walking around the store with it on her head. Stealing is dumb though.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: mikeyboy]
#4343631 - 06/27/05 03:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no. it'll balance on your shoe. if you're worried about it falling out tuck the inside of the pant leg into your sock.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343646 - 06/27/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Please note that shoplifting will cause the store-owners to raise their prices accordingly. Thus, when you shoplift, you are not ripping off the store-owners so much as the consumers.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343652 - 06/27/05 03:16 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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There is no such thing as a victimless crime by the way.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343656 - 06/27/05 03:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said: There is no such thing as a victimless crime by the way.
incest? if both are willing?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343660 - 06/27/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well thats a crime against humanity, its a crime against yourself.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343665 - 06/27/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i use to hang out with the biggest thieves when i was younger.. these 2 guys i knew would go to best-buy a couple times every week. and steal several cds/games then sell them at school... they found a way to pop off the stupid plastic security holder, then just slip the discs out of the case.. thus by-passing any security device... i use to buy a lot of video games from them.
i never did that though. i didnt wanna mess with best buy and electronic shit. i thhink ive stolen a couple hats and jerseys at a mall... i gave all that shit up once i turned 18 though.. i could really care less... id rather have nothing anyways
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343667 - 06/27/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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this thread sickens me
seriously
if you ever took anything of mine I would break all your limbs
this is why we pay higher prices, and people get stereotyped....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343669 - 06/27/05 03:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no it's not, you're talking out of society's baseless ass now.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343678 - 06/27/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if both consent then how am i hurting myself? im not into the incest im just saying, its the first victimless crime to come to mind
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343680 - 06/27/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use to be a shop lifter in my younger years. first thing you to do is not call attention to your self which im sure my fellow traveller you fail
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343681 - 06/27/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Holy crap, someone else who's read Evasion! That book became my manifesto for months after reading it. Personally I think CrimeThInc has got its act together and is amassing a pretty big following. It's possible to do, and many stores have a no-pursue policy. That is, if they catch you in the act, you're screwed, but if you set off the alarm and leave, they can't follow you out of the store. Barnes and Noble is one such store, and so is WalMart.
Like you said, if you're prepared for the act AND the result, go for it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343684 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am talking about society general Consensus. Its all about how you view the word crime I guess.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343685 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stealing=Bad. Then again... prices of things are so high... it IS tempting.. lol.
Jk. I've never have stolen anything in my life. Sadly... maybe like a pen or 2...
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Infrared]
#4343686 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never stolen. This one homeless kid I know is really good at it though. He steals all his clothes and all his food.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343687 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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another is smoking pot. alone. in the comfort of your own home, with pot you grew yourself.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343688 - 06/27/05 03:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paradigm said: Please note that shoplifting will cause the store-owners to raise their prices accordingly. Thus, when you shoplift, you are not ripping off the store-owners so much as the consumers.
Yeah they raise their prices for alot of reasons, not just shoplifting. I wouldn't feel too guilty about raising prices for consumers.
Anyways, the reason I want to get into this is because someday soon I may be a homeless vagabond who needs to steal food for survival. I don't intend on stealing stupid material shit like CD's or whatnot. 95% of what I plan on stealing will be food items.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343691 - 06/27/05 03:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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why not use the homeless shelter, where they serve free food?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343692 - 06/27/05 03:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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batman stole his own food.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343700 - 06/27/05 03:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Morrowind said: another is smoking pot. alone. in the comfort of your own home, with pot you grew yourself.
i think almost any drug done responsibly is victimless.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343704 - 06/27/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I steal all the time from a huge dvd-cd-book store and I dont feel like doing something bad, since their prices are abusive, and I?m just a student
books are really easy to get, I stole all chuck palanhuik ( wrong spelling) books, fear and loathing in last vegas and a lot of othe stuff.
so if they raise prices we have the right to steal shit form them
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343706 - 06/27/05 03:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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same, but i was trying to be really specific so no one could poke holes in my example too easily.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: lechuck]
#4343709 - 06/27/05 03:29 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no.. you have the right to shop elsewhere. high prices dont give you the RIGHT to steal. thats like saying theres too many ppl in the world so you have the right to kill
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343713 - 06/27/05 03:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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LOCK N' LOAD BABY!
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343718 - 06/27/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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since a CD cost 20 euros and it cost .5 to make it I feel in the right to steal it
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343720 - 06/27/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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damn chinese
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: lechuck]
#4343721 - 06/27/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hm.
i guess i should contribute to the topic.
once in a while i steal a little from the art store. Really, the key is to never, ever do anything in front of a camera and to deny everything if a clerk confronts you. They cannot search you and can only call the cops ( if they saw you and you're obviously stealing it... which is hard to show ). Clerks seriously have 0 authority, managers are just scarier, but still they can only throw you out of the store ( and you should be out the door by then already ).
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343722 - 06/27/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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crime ( P ) Pronunciation Key (krm) n. An act committed or omitted in violation of a law forbidding or commanding it and for which punishment is imposed upon conviction. Unlawful activity: statistics relating to violent crime. A serious offense, especially one in violation of morality. An unjust, senseless, or disgraceful act or condition: It's a crime to squander our country's natural resources
Theres the defintion of crime, anyway you look at it, it is still affecting someone, such as yourself. Theres alot of room for opinions on what crime really is. Hell I commit a crime almost every hour of the day, lol.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343723 - 06/27/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I knew there would be people crying about how "bad" stealing is. Please. Not all of us have everything we need given to us. I have been relatively fortunate thusfar in my life but seeing as how I refuse to be programmed further (i.e. college) or get some sort of slave-wage career, I foresee myself to soon be falling into society's cracks and having to fend for my own survival, which means obtaining food, water, shelter, and clothing by any means necessary (i.e. stealing). And in case you didn't read the end of my post, I never intend on stealing from an individual, or an individual's business store. I am talking solely about corporate chains.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: lechuck]
#4343724 - 06/27/05 03:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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what about the music rights? To produce a CD you have to pay a lot to be able to put those songs on it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343727 - 06/27/05 03:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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disgrace, morality, etc. are all defined by the people commiting the act so long as it doesnt affect others. at least IMO
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343728 - 06/27/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you ever took anything of mine I would break all your limbs
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343729 - 06/27/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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? programmed further? college?
okeeeee. ( the key here is not to go to a shitty college and let yourself be programmed )
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343735 - 06/27/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
Morrowind said: why not use the homeless shelter, where they serve free food?
There aren't homeless shelters in every city that I may be in.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343736 - 06/27/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Many chain stores employ police officers as security so they CAN chase. Where I work, the suspects are apprehended BEFORE they leave the store so that it is easier to detain them. And it's an ego boost for the cop when all the customers see a shoplifter slam to floor after being kneed in the nuts I swear, I see it happen often...
Stealing from a chain isn't stealing from a specific person, but damn man, it's still stealing. Work for what you need.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343737 - 06/27/05 03:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Why don't you just move to the woods and grow your own food instead of stealing it?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343738 - 06/27/05 03:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no one is crying
you are a self centered, lazy POS that wants to drop out of society with no consequences..
well there are consequences NO FOOD, NO SHELTER...no consumables
ask Shroomism
you make this choice...don't try to justify your bullshit to me.
if you want out of society get a bullet
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343740 - 06/27/05 03:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if they sell the cds for 5 dollars, or euros what I think is a good price, i?ll stop stalling them
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: lechuck]
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lechuck said: if they sell the cds for 5 dollars, or euros what I think is a good price, i?ll stop stalling them
they would be alot less if you and those like you would quit stealing them
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: lechuck]
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I'm guessing that would be a little less than what it costs to produce it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343751 - 06/27/05 03:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Why don't you just move to the woods and grow your own food instead of stealing it?
because he doesnt own the woods either and would eventually be moved out by "THE MAN"
god forbid he work /gasp
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
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Morrowind said: ? programmed further? college?
okeeeee. ( the key here is not to go to a shitty college and let yourself be programmed )
I don't have the resources to spend on finding a 'non-shitty' college that doesn't stifle my creativity and allows me to truely learn in a self-programming environment. So why bother? I'll stick with books and the internet when it comes to my learning. Education just feels too much like a prison system to me. To each their own.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343753 - 06/27/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank You, nice comment goobler. Hell that's life, sometimes you have to deal with slave wage jobs to get by. don't make it harder for the people who are actually trying to get buy, but cant because of all the worthless deadbeats out there causing everyone to raise their prices. I am all for non conformity and living your own life, but stealing is not a way to rebel against society.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343757 - 06/27/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: Why don't you just move to the woods and grow your own food instead of stealing it?
because he doesnt own the woods either and would eventually be moved out by "THE MAN"
god forbid he work /gasp
you can live in the woods in canada. theres so much crown land up here and no one would know or care if you moved up north, and relatively away from cities. you could disappear up here without a care in the world.
or you could steal from walmart.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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Stealing from large corporations is awesome. You need to understand that all the cameras in the stores are almost never checked unless they know exactly when something was stolen.
You need Jacket Tecnology (TM). It works best in winter when wearing a big puffy jacket is expected. you'd be amazed at what you can fit under your armpits. As long as you're confident and sure of yourself you will always get away with it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343763 - 06/27/05 03:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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goobler said: no one is crying
you are a self centered, lazy POS that wants to drop out of society with no consequences..
well there are consequences NO FOOD, NO SHELTER...no consumables
ask Shroomism
you make this choice...don't try to justify your bullshit to me.
if you want out of society get a bullet
You're just jealous.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: WoodsCall]
#4343766 - 06/27/05 03:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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WoodsCall said: Stealing from a chain isn't stealing from a specific person, but damn man, it's still stealing. Work for what you need.
I'll agree to this, but sometimes it's not possible. I generally do not steal anything, but society is not kind to the lower middle class. I intend to pay my dues back to society eventually, but I can't right now.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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Morrowind said: ? programmed further? college?
okeeeee. ( the key here is not to go to a shitty college and let yourself be programmed )
I don't have the resources to spend on finding a 'non-shitty' college that doesn't stifle my creativity and allows me to truely learn in a self-programming environment. So why bother? I'll stick with books and the internet when it comes to my learning. Education just feels too much like a prison system to me. To each their own.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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ok you pay 20 bucks ill keep staealling em
I like to steal stuff anyway
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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Morrowind said: ? programmed further? college?
okeeeee. ( the key here is not to go to a shitty college and let yourself be programmed )
I don't have the resources to spend on finding a 'non-shitty' college that doesn't stifle my creativity and allows me to truely learn in a self-programming environment. So why bother? I'll stick with books and the internet when it comes to my learning. Education just feels too much like a prison system to me. To each their own.
so you steal? i think that school feels less like prison then say.. PRISON would.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
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people don't go to prison for stealing.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343776 - 06/27/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist said: Yeah they raise their prices for alot of reasons, not just shoplifting.
Yeah, like meeting demand. Prices aren't set arbitrarily. The market creates a certain price through supply and demand. If you shoplift, you are reducing the supply without compensation, which creates costs for the supplier that are shifted to the consumer.
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Why? It seems only natural that you should feel guilty about incurring greater costs on those who are not willing to mooch off the hard work of others.
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Anyways, the reason I want to get into this is because someday soon I may be a homeless vagabond who needs to steal food for survival. I don't intend on stealing stupid material shit like CD's or whatnot. 95% of what I plan on stealing will be food items.
May I suggest instead living in a commune where you grow your own food and share it amongst each other. This way, all participants are willing, and no one is getting ripped off.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343781 - 06/27/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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well for grand theft you could, but i doubt he'll be stealing TVs like me.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343782 - 06/27/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually, thats a good point. ::cough cough:: full academic scholarship ::cough::
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343783 - 06/27/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can do it if you set your mind on it.
Yes, I can do it if I set my mind on it. I can transcend the need for 'education' and do what I will without it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343785 - 06/27/05 03:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: people don't go to prison for stealing.
Lmao, sure they do. Maybe not all of them, but some do. It all depends on what you steal I guess.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343790 - 06/27/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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do you seriously think I am?
see thats your self righteousness there poking its head out...
you want to be a vagabond, great!
you want to not be programmed?
get off the fucking Internet and go live your 'life'
or will you steal Internet time as well?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343792 - 06/27/05 03:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nice, Paradigm.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343793 - 06/27/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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or maybe you'd rather smoke weed, take drugs, and follow around aging hippies?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343794 - 06/27/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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actually, prices ARE often set arbitrarily. I've been watching a lot of places I visit and always stop buying things when they go up, say, 15 cents. A week later they're back down. Stores slowly bump up the prices to fucking over the consumer as much as possible, without losing business. Ok, it's not ENTIRELY arbitrary, but it's how a lot of business works. One common technique is to move into an area, offer prices competing places cannot match, and once they're bankrupt you raise your prices sky-high.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343797 - 06/27/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm at the public library "stealing" internet time.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343798 - 06/27/05 03:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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whats next? stealing babies?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343800 - 06/27/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey adamist, look around the library (assuming you are where i think you are) for a short red haired girl working their named leah, and tell her vijay (me!) says hello
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343801 - 06/27/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: people don't go to prison for stealing.
Lmao, sure they do. Maybe not all of them, but some do. It all depends on what you steal I guess.
As I said, grand theft. People don't go to prison for misdemeanors, unless you're on parole or probation.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343802 - 06/27/05 03:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: or maybe you'd rather smoke weed, take drugs, and follow around aging hippies?
I don't intend on following anybody around. I want to go where I want, when I want, and do what I want at all times. Drugs are a minor aspect to my life. People that can't get by day-to-day without drugs are sad.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343804 - 06/27/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Aren't you driving around the country going to festivals and whatnot?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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HELLA_TIGHT said: or maybe you'd rather smoke weed, take drugs, and follow around aging hippies?
I don't intend on following anybody around. I want to go where I want, when I want, and do what I want at all times. Drugs are a minor aspect to my life. People that can't get by day-to-day without drugs are sad.
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even prescription drugs they need? And really, whats a prescription but a bypass for illegality?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343806 - 06/27/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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People that steal everyday is sad.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343808 - 06/27/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stealing from large corporations does not harm the corporation. It harms the consumer. Any economics professor can tell you that the cost will be shifted to the consumer in the form of higher prices. That is who you are really stealing from, not the corporation.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Krishna]
#4343810 - 06/27/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Krishna said: hey adamist, look around the library (assuming you are where i think you are) for a short red haired girl working their named leah, and tell her vijay (me!) says hello
Heh, there's a short red haired girl across from me that I asked, and she smiled and shook her head.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343815 - 06/27/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said: People that steal are poor and maybe should apply for a job at a megalow-mart.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343816 - 06/27/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist said: I'm at the public library "stealing" internet time.
well be fucking thankful that some hard working people paid taxes so you could sit your ass there and post on a website
hey as long as you're there steal a couple of books, ,I mean its the government right, fuck them
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343818 - 06/27/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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stealing apples even now and then isn't going to affect prices
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343821 - 06/27/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said: People that steal are poor and maybe should apply for a job at a megalow-mart.
Why are you mis quoting me like that?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343824 - 06/27/05 03:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was correcting you.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343828 - 06/27/05 03:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually I could use some prescription drugs, but can't get them, because I'm poor and have no insurance.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343834 - 06/27/05 03:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you got a job you could get insurance.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343835 - 06/27/05 03:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you CHOOSE to be poor
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343836 - 06/27/05 03:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
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Morrowind said: actually, prices ARE often set arbitrarily. I've been watching a lot of places I visit and always stop buying things when they go up, say, 15 cents. A week later they're back down. Stores slowly bump up the prices to fucking over the consumer as much as possible, without losing business. Ok, it's not ENTIRELY arbitrary, but it's how a lot of business works. One common technique is to move into an area, offer prices competing places cannot match, and once they're bankrupt you raise your prices sky-high.
Any economics textbook will show you how that is not arbitrary at all. A store-owner may look at his supplies at the end of the month and notice that they are low(possibly due partially to theft), so he'll temporarily raise prices to hold him over until new shipments arrive. It's called supply and demand. The market is constantly giving signals which producers respond to in their prices. Theft is one of many market-distorting mechanisms.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343842 - 06/27/05 03:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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damn boy...they did teach you some big words at that there skool
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Noetical]
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noeticbuzz said: stealing apples even now and then isn't going to affect prices
Depends how much and how often. This is the way many people justify such actions. Their actions alone don't have much effect, but the collective results of several others doing what they do does in fact have quite an effect on prices.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343854 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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It's not like you are a child anymore, you choose who you are and you choose poor so deal with the consequences (tho they aren't all 'bad'; I was mosdef very happy when I had so little)
So why don't you just get a job with one of the places you said you'd never steal from?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343858 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I refuse to be programmed further (i.e. college) or get some sort of slave-wage career, I foresee myself to soon be falling into society's cracks and having to fend for my own survival, which means obtaining food, water, shelter, and clothing by any means necessary (i.e. stealing). And in case you didn't read the end of my post, I never intend on stealing from an individual, or an individual's business store. I am talking solely about corporate chains.
You do realize, somewhere deep down inside, that this is a cry for help, right?
Can you truly not look at the long-term consequences to see the detriment of such behavior?
But why bother with questions like this? If it feels good to believe that you are being nobler by submersing yourself in crime and poverty, then none of this will stop you.
More likely, you believe that you are nothing more than an impotent, faceless cog in a vast conspiracy of silence and oppression, a victim of government cover-ups and hidden agendas, of dark metallic disks under canvas in subterranean hangars. If that?s what makes you feel better about your failures and frustrations, then, hey ? asking questions like this won?t even slow you down.
But realize this: if your worldview requires all sorts of secret kingdoms, unknowable motives, and unseen forces moving behind the veil of normal human experience, then you have taken yourself from the realm of a free citizen responsible for his own destiny and that of his nation, to a frightened caveman quivering in fear of distant Thunder Gods: immobilized, helpless and in a state of abject surrender.
You have thrown away the hard work of millions and millions of your fellow human beings who have worked and studied their entire lives to raise you from those very depths.
Shame on you.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343859 - 06/27/05 03:59 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Then stop complaining about bieng poor.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
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In practice, that often does not happen. Are you trying to convince me that a store owner only raises prices to maintain his profit? Anyone in business would know you want to maximize profit to an extreme- the consumer is NOT a thought- the money a consumer can withhold in case of horrible prices is. So in short, businesses aim for one thing- the consumer's money.
In some cases, especially where the business has a limited monopoly or perhaps has arranged for a friendly oligopoly with competitors, consumers are REALLY getting railed, and for what? Demand disguises greed as something necessary.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
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I'd rather steal apples than drive vehicles that harm the environment. I'd rather hurt consumer prices than hurt the earth. I hate money anyways. Why should I feel guilty about contributing a small part to driving prices upwards when there are far more important things being destroyed everyday?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
My town has a co-op natural food store, find one of those. I'm sure they're all over. They're all about anarcy.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
just so long as you know that you will never own anything nice. you might call me a materialist but im a realist. i know that if i want anything i have to work and get it. i think its downright fucked up that you wont work and expect us to pick up your slack.
i dont think theres anything that makes me more happy or proud then going out and getting something for myself or someone else that i legitimately worked my ass off for.
fuck stealing. you should be sterilized, or educated.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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Because then you'd be a selfish prick? Come on, hippies are supposed to be empathetic.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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I predict you are found in an ally in 7 years the stench of urine covering you and begging for change...
but I know you'll have a smile on your face because you didnt even bend one little bit.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
#4343881 - 06/27/05 04:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Are you suggesting there are no such conspiracies at all and that every person is much more than a cog in the machine of society?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343884 - 06/27/05 04:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no one in this thread has any idea about how money works
you would all probably laugh at a statement like this
'when you earn money you are actually creating debt for the economy'
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
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Don't flame! You'll get this thread locked by the greens.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
So instead you choose to leech of the hard work of others? This is quite selfish, and unbecoming of a psychonaut. If you don't want to participate in the "9 to 5 system of slave wage," you can join a commune, as I pointed out earlier. There, you can join others on equal footing in growing your own food and sharing your belongings, and no one else has to suffer against their will for your needs. There are alternatives to the capitalist wage system which do not involve stealing from the working class.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343893 - 06/27/05 04:04 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist said: I'd rather steal apples than drive vehicles that harm the environment. I'd rather hurt consumer prices than hurt the earth. I hate money anyways. Why should I feel guilty about contributing a small part to driving prices upwards when there are far more important things being destroyed everyday?
noble, but have you taken any action to help the environment aside from taking yourself into consideration? People harming it are doing so as a side-effect of creating something to please someone else, and they do so at a large rate.
If you intend to compete, you should be acting on a large scale. If you act only for yourself, you might as well not exist.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343895 - 06/27/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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im not flaming him. im expressing my honest beleif of what he said. if we cant have honest disagreements then thats fucked up
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343896 - 06/27/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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the working class do nothing more than make the next depression come quicker
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343898 - 06/27/05 04:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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fuck stealing. you should be sterilized, or eradicated.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343902 - 06/27/05 04:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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faslimy said: the working class do nothing more than make the next depression come quicker
Please elaborate, if you can.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343903 - 06/27/05 04:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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What you're saying isn't right in all cases, and you're blindsightedly throwing about absolutes.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343906 - 06/27/05 04:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am sure he has all of life figured out also. Lmao.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343907 - 06/27/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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because they're supporting the corporations, who are in their corporate offices, being all corporationy.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343910 - 06/27/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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i used to steal a bunch growing up, then one day as i was walking out the alarm went off, no one did anything, i kept a casual walking pace out the door and was fine, but ever since then i haven't shoplifted
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343914 - 06/27/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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what did you just call me?????!?!?!?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343916 - 06/27/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok
The government went bankrupt in 1933, ever since then they have been borrowing money from the federal reserve (a privatly owned profiterring bank) now the government uses society as surety on its debts which increase with interest every year. When you earn money it is borrowed from the federal reserve... borrowed... hence debt.
reply ment for Paradigm
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343917 - 06/27/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont steal from retail stores. We knew these people where stealing ink carts from us at 60 bucks a twin pack. We got thier liscense plate while they where in the store. Called the cops. The stole stuff and as they where pulling out cops pulls them over and they got felony theft because of the amount.
Its not worth it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343918 - 06/27/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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have you seen team america: world police?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343920 - 06/27/05 04:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Morrowind said:
If you act only for yourself, you might as well not exist.
Adamist, if you decide to take anybody's words to heart, consider the above statement. You of all people I believe would understand that. Or ARE you only living for you???
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343922 - 06/27/05 04:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Paradigm said:Any economics textbook will show you how that is not arbitrary at all. A store-owner may look at his supplies at the end of the month and notice that they are low(possibly due partially to theft), so he'll temporarily raise prices to hold him over until new shipments arrive. It's called supply and demand. The market is constantly giving signals which producers respond to in their prices. Theft is one of many market-distorting mechanisms.
I had a long post wrote out but I lost it, anyways the jist was that the above is not supply and demand
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343923 - 06/27/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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So then it is the fault of the federal reserve, not the working class.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343924 - 06/27/05 04:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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you seem to be ignoring that money is a concept put into practice. It's not debt that causes depressions.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343930 - 06/27/05 04:12 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist said: I knew there would be people crying about how "bad" stealing is. Please. Not all of us have everything we need given to us. I have been relatively fortunate thusfar in my life but seeing as how I refuse to be programmed further (i.e. college) or get some sort of slave-wage career, I foresee myself to soon be falling into society's cracks and having to fend for my own survival, which means obtaining food, water, shelter, and clothing by any means necessary (i.e. stealing). And in case you didn't read the end of my post, I never intend on stealing from an individual, or an individual's business store. I am talking solely about corporate chains.
I use to be just like you i could have easily written that paragraph two years ago. I had an enlighting converation with some older rainbow drifters at a phish show that got me thinking. that there is now way to live the way you want, we all already are programed, and you will always be a slave to babylon. and that you will most likely end up working a even shittier job later on. So why not do alittle bit of both? A job isnt really that bad you already have lower standards there are plenty of chill jobs to support a low money lifestyle.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343936 - 06/27/05 04:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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what cause depressions then morrowwind
it is society who continues to ignore this fact and continues working for private bankers. it is societies fault and socoeity will suffer for it in the next depression unless they reform how banking is done.
it has been like this for centuries and the depressions come every time...
Edited by faslimy (06/27/05 04:14 PM)
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343949 - 06/27/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not for North Korea.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343953 - 06/27/05 04:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said: have you seen team america: world police?
no
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343963 - 06/27/05 04:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ooh.. well that was a line from the movie.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4343972 - 06/27/05 04:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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depressions are natural things in an economy. The problem is when you have a huge depression, ala The Great Depression. Depressions can be curbed and avoided by manipulating the economy ( like Greenspan's decisions ).
They happen when you invest into something that has no potential, and the money essentially vanishes.
Debt is also a good sign- take National Debt. When we need money, we borrow it from other countries, and this stimulates the flow of money.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4343992 - 06/27/05 04:26 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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dont do iti got caught stealing DXM containing products from Wal-Mart back in high school and payed for it for a long time...lots of money down the drain for somehting less than $5
but i guess it was karma as everytime a new computer game would come out i would go slit the boxes and write the serial numbers down so i could play them online
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4344003 - 06/27/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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HELLA_TIGHT said:
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Adamist said:
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
My town has a co-op natural food store, find one of those. I'm sure they're all over. They're all about anarcy.
http://www.peoplesfoodco-op.org/
i used to put in an hour a week in exchange for a free membership.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4344004 - 06/27/05 04:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Wouldn't it be funny if in 10 years Adamist is working an office job, living in the burbs, and driving a Lexus?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344009 - 06/27/05 04:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Where did you learn that depressions are a natural part of the economy. BTW they call it the business cycle... its clever.. yes depressions will always come so don't bother trying to find out why, just accept them as natural things and keep making us richer
You obviously just havn't looked deep enough into how it works, because I have.
Read this: http://www.apfn.org/apfn/reserve.htm
Download this torrent: http://www.torrentreactor.to/torrents/view_53218
it is a 3 and a half hour documentary on the history of banking
then finally read this: http://www.freedomfiles.org/mary-book.pdf
it is a solution
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Krishna]
#4344024 - 06/27/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hippie! my friend used to work there, he said they're about to go out of business because they all get stoned and eat the food they're supposed to be selling.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344029 - 06/27/05 04:35 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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:sigh:
not this conspiracy theory again..
did you just read this stuff, or have you actually taken some classes in this?
I know banks are an evil, but they're a necessary evil. And when they're not necessary, you can't stop them because they're too damn powerful.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344034 - 06/27/05 04:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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sigh right back at you
yes i have read everything i posted. if you wont even look at this information then wow you have a closed mind
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344035 - 06/27/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I own a bank
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344047 - 06/27/05 04:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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no, it just means I'm tired from a day of work and don't feel like spending a lot of time on something I don't really care about. If I cared about this shit, I'd be an economist.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344053 - 06/27/05 04:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yeah thats right
you are too lazy and selfish to even look at somethign majorly wrong with society that is going to cause thousands of deaths come the next depression
just like everyone else its easier to write it off as conspiracy nonsense.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344055 - 06/27/05 04:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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why are banks a necessary evil?
money is fucked up. people kill over it. wars are started over it. I don't even want to post in this thread, but I did anyway.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344059 - 06/27/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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what would you use to purchase your illicit substances and repay the bands you love for playing a great show?
giving people goats for music doesnt work
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344062 - 06/27/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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because otherwise the only people who can afford property are rich bastards who don't deserve it in the first place.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4344066 - 06/27/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Gee thanks - thanks for driving up prices for people like me who already find it hard enough to make ends meet. Thanks a fucking million!
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344067 - 06/27/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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faslimy said: you are too lazy and selfish to even look at somethign majorly wrong with society that is going to cause thousands of deaths come the next depression
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Le_Canard]
#4344068 - 06/27/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Gee thanks - thanks for driving up prices for people like me who already find it hard enough to make ends meet. Thanks a fucking million!
thank you for not doing the same thing and the easy thing and stealing.. yer noble.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344069 - 06/27/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: why are banks a necessary evil?
They aren't if you want to go back to a primitive agrarian society. Those of us who like technology and civilization are a bit more reliant on banks.
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money is fucked up. people kill over it. wars are started over it.
Correction: WEALTH is what people kill and go to war over. Money itself is simply a means of exchange that represents wealth.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344070 - 06/27/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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faslimy said: yeah thats right
you are too lazy and selfish to even look at somethign majorly wrong with society that is going to cause thousands of deaths come the next depression
just like everyone else its easier to write it off as conspiracy nonsense.
It's bullshit politics. Look, I know things like war are often started for the primary purpose of filling bankers' pockets. WTF do you expect me to do? Rebel? Go out into the streets screaming? Assassinate a banker? Tough shit, but money is power. The government is bought out, and revolution is the only solution, and I will NEVER support it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344075 - 06/27/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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BANKS ARE GOOD
DEBT BASED BANKS ARE NOT GOOD
lets change it
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: RandalFlagg]
#4344082 - 06/27/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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RandalFlagg said: Wouldn't it be funny if in 10 years Adamist is working an office job, living in the burbs, and driving a Lexus?
no way man
hes true to his convictions...now and future
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344083 - 06/27/05 04:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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just a quick question: how do you expect to make the change if bankers are leading the government around?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344084 - 06/27/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if you answer well, ill go read up on that stuff
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4344085 - 06/27/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Eh...I was raised honest. Even if I did steal and get away with it, my conscience would bother me. I may not have a lot of fancy stuff, and I'm usually broke, I can at least sleep well at night...
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
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um yeah.. but money is paper. In the real world paper is good for: 1. starting a fire to keep warm, 2. toilet paper 3. something to draw on It only has value because we agree that is has value. Tommorow the banks could all implode and money would be worthless, except as toilet paper and fuel for fire.
A goat, you could eat, maybe save it for milk and cheese.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Le_Canard]
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yea same here.. i stole a bit as a kid but always ended up regretting it.
now im in debt from school and such but im paying it off. and i know that everything that i own, i deserve to have, and i worked for
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
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you for one should know the value of money, I mean come on
seriously
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344096 - 06/27/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm sure people would still use the worthless money, because it's familiar to them.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4344098 - 06/27/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yea.. the support shroomsim fund.
i offered a goat and some turnips but it wasnt accepted.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344100 - 06/27/05 04:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if we stop using their banks all the money they have becomes worthless because its just fictional. their wealth is fictional and only there because we use their system
money that is used in the place of real things makes for a prosperous society, history has proved it. America used to be the most prosperous coountry in the world before the depression, before the government declared bankrupcy to bankers
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344101 - 06/27/05 04:55 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Guys.. I honestly don't think Adamist is responsible for raising prices on the things you buy for a hypothetical situation he posed.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344106 - 06/27/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: um yeah.. but money is paper. In the real world paper is good for: 1. starting a fire to keep warm, 2. toilet paper 3. something to draw on It only has value because we agree that is has value. Tommorow the banks could all implode and money would be worthless, except as toilet paper and fuel for fire.
And that's why we contine to agree to value it.
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A goat, you could eat, maybe save it for milk and cheese.
And after you eat it, what are you going to exchange for another one? It's worth nothing after you've used it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344107 - 06/27/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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if not paper, then shells or rocks, bones perhaps....
its all just an illusionary symbol...but since the world revolves on it , it will never go away
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344108 - 06/27/05 04:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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we arent saying he is. we are saying that theft raises prices. its a fact.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344110 - 06/27/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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yes, correct.
but if you DO agree on it, people can buy land from people ( theres not much unowned land ) and use it to raise goats and farm your own food; whatever the hell floats your boat.
Otherwise, theres no room for advancement in the world outside of taking other people's land.
Obviously, if you deny the idea of ownership, that dispels the problem. However, it also creates new problems- such as being fucked over by the most skilled murderers and being bullied into submission by whoever is toughest.
Personally, I don't feel anyone deserves anything and no one "owns" anything, but it's NOT something that you can use outside of personal belief and security.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: goobler]
#4344113 - 06/27/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do know the value of money in the context of this society, yes. I grew up around politicians.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344116 - 06/27/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Maybe it's not so significant on the individual level, but you take millions of Admist's across the nation......
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said: Guys.. I honestly don't think Adamist is responsible for raising prices on the things you buy for a hypothetical situation he posed.
its pointless to argue with you twig and berry people
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
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Morrowind said: if you answer well, ill go read up on that stuff
honestly, that makes me sick
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: faslimy]
#4344130 - 06/27/05 05:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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what, expecting you to come up with a decent answer makes you sick? I didn't say I'll do it as a treat for you being a good doggie. I said "Convince me, and I'll buy your plan."
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4344169 - 06/27/05 05:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well I never pretended to be an expert economist.. or even good with money. But does theft really make that big of an impact on prices with major corporations? And where do we draw the line? Is it not ok for Adamist to steal a loaf of bread because he is starving, but it is ok for some CEO to embezzle 400 million dollars from the company?
I ask because I'm curious. Please enlighten me.
You know there's more than enough food and money and resources in the world for everyone in the world to live comfortably. But not everyone lives comfortably, because of the way things are distributed. So why should the poor man be shamed for stealing food when others are born into millions and never work a day in their life getting everything they want for free.
I never had a problem with working to get by. But the social classes of medieval times are still here. They have just evolved. I was born as a peasant. If I want to become a noble, I'll have to work my ass off and conform to the system.. but I still wont have nearly as good of a chance as someone who was born a noble.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344181 - 06/27/05 05:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: Well I never pretended to be an expert economist.. or even good with money. But does theft really make that big of an impact on prices with major corporations? And where do we draw the line? Is it not ok for Adamist to steal a loaf of bread because he is starving, but it is ok for some CEO to embezzle 400 million dollars from the company?
I ask because I'm curious. Please enlighten me.
You know there's more than enough food and money and resources in the world for everyone in the world to live comfortably. But not everyone lives comfortably, because of the way things are distributed. So why should the poor man be shamed for stealing food when others are born into millions and never work a day in their life getting everything they want for free.
I never had a problem with working to get by. But the social classes of medieval times are still here. They have just evolved.
yes.. to a point. he is starving and poor or his own free will. if he worked, and put in honest time at it and still could not find a way to put good on the table i would say theres no problem.
he doesnt want to work.. and theres my biggest problem with it. he has no problem following bands or going to festivals or whatever. he has a thread in security asking about buying drugs over the net... he should be able to feed himself.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
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I don't think the problem is him not wanting to work. I've seen him work plenty. He works at festivals, he works to get money to support himself whenever he gets the chance. I think the problem is, that he does not want to become a slave to money, where he works his life away at a job he hates, to barely make enough money to stay afloat.. and constantly be stressed out over bills, consumerism, etc.
I know several people like this. Their lives are work, come home from work.. bitch about work, bitch about how much money you need that you'll never have.. talk about all the things you want that you cant afford.. bitch about how fucked up everyone is.. have a nervous breakdown, eat.. sleep. dream about stress. repeat. I'm not even kidding. Some people live there LIVES like that. I know some of them. Used to be one of them.
So how do you break out of that cycle? Well.. if you are lucky, (or super smart, or can afford it) you go to college. Or you somehow manage to start up your own thing making plenty of money. But realistically, most jobs pay minimum wage or close to it without a college diploma. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to start a business, or go to college, or get a nice paying job. Normal people have to settle for the shit jobs, just so they can stay alive. This usually is the start of a cycle of not making enough money to stay afloat. The debts pile up, the stress builds. Soon, you're working 60 hour weeks just to catch up to being in debt. And chances are you'll never catch up.
But I know Adamist in real life. His problem is not, not wanting to work. It's conforming to the system which he sees so many people in his life completely consumed by. And I don't blame him.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344240 - 06/27/05 05:33 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I don't think the problem is him not wanting to work. I've seen him work plenty. He works at festivals, he works to get money to support himself whenever he gets the chance. I think the problem is, that he does not want to become a slave to money, where he works his life away at a job he hates, to barely make enough money to stay afloat.. and constantly be stressed out over bills, consumerism, etc.
I know several people like this. Their lives are work, come home from work.. bitch about work, bitch about how much money you need that you'll never have.. talk about all the things you want that you cant afford.. bitch about how fucked up everyone is.. have a nervous breakdown, eat.. sleep. dream about stress. repeat. I'm not even kidding. Some people live there LIVES like that. I know some of them. Used to be one of them.
So how do you break out of that cycle? Well.. if you are lucky, (or super smart, or can afford it) you go to college. Or you somehow manage to start up your own thing making plenty of money. But realistically, most jobs pay minimum wage or close to it without a college diploma. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to start a business, or go to college, or get a nice paying job. Normal people have to settle for the shit jobs, just so they can stay alive. This usually is the start of a cycle of not making enough money to stay afloat. The debts pile up, the stress builds. Soon, you're working 60 hour weeks just to catch up to being in debt. And chances are you'll never catch up.
But I know Adamist in real life. His problem is not, not wanting to work. It's conforming to the system which he sees so many people in his life completely consumed by. And I don't blame him.
regardless of his problem id rather see him work for food, instead of festivals and drugs. i actually like the guy i just disagree with him here.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344243 - 06/27/05 05:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: I don't think the problem is him not wanting to work. I've seen him work plenty. He works at festivals, he works to get money to support himself whenever he gets the chance. I think the problem is, that he does not want to become a slave to money, where he works his life away at a job he hates, to barely make enough money to stay afloat.. and constantly be stressed out over bills, consumerism, etc.
I know several people like this. Their lives are work, come home from work.. bitch about work, bitch about how much money you need that you'll never have.. talk about all the things you want that you cant afford.. bitch about how fucked up everyone is.. have a nervous breakdown, eat.. sleep. dream about stress. repeat. I'm not even kidding. Some people live there LIVES like that. I know some of them. Used to be one of them.
So how do you break out of that cycle? Well.. if you are lucky, (or super smart, or can afford it) you go to college. Or you somehow manage to start up your own thing making plenty of money. But realistically, most jobs pay minimum wage or close to it without a college diploma. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be able to start a business, or go to college, or get a nice paying job. Normal people have to settle for the shit jobs, just so they can stay alive. This usually is the start of a cycle of not making enough money to stay afloat. The debts pile up, the stress builds. Soon, you're working 60 hour weeks just to catch up to being in debt. And chances are you'll never catch up.
But I know Adamist in real life. His problem is not, not wanting to work. It's conforming to the system which he sees so many people in his life completely consumed by. And I don't blame him.
See, I can relate to that, but why is stealing the answer? There are communes, worker cooperatives, and all sorts of other alternatives to wage labor. To say that wage labor sucks is not sufficient to justify theft.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344257 - 06/27/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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A thief is a thief and it dont matter if its from a corporation or from a small business its still lowlife thievery theft bullshit You start up a business of your own someday and see if you dont see it my way
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4344261 - 06/27/05 05:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stealing isn't THE answer. But it is AN answer, if you were starving. And he's not starving.. he was posing a hypothetical situation.
I don't want to speak FOR Adamist, but I think he would be glad to join a commune, if he found one that had good vibes. That's actually something we've talked about a good deal.
And we do work for food. But shit happens.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344267 - 06/27/05 05:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stealing is wrong no matter how you justify it... that said. Who gives a fuck? Its wall-mart. I'd hit it, and have several times. back in the day i used to steal for kicks. Wallyworlds, malls, conveniense stores. Basicly anything that i could get away with. amased a treasure trove of little pocket sized trinkets. It was a blast, and i never felt bad about it. untill i got caught. I was drunk, and my shiste skills were dulled. I lost my freedom for 8months and so i promised myself. No more stupid juvenile delinquent shit. If i get popped, its not going to be for something like shopplifting.
Your talking about stealing form big stores, and not little ones. Because the big corporations are rich, and that makes it o.k. What your really saying is, i don't want to victimize someone on a personal level. Or someone who isn't filthy rich. And thats understandable. You walk into a little store, and that dude standing behind the counter probly owns the store.
i don't know wher i'm going with this... Take a deep look at wher your morals lie. Consider Robbing from rich people instead of rick corporations. Its easyer.
But than again my moral compass, and or better judgement can be way off sometimes.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344272 - 06/27/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think there is a sure way to be rich if you are a "peasant" but you really have to work your as off. Its called a doctor(im sure there are other ways) its the most ethical way to be rich, so its not impossible as you say. and you dont have to conform to shit either.Higher education would be the way it is in any social situation. If you want to keep it ethical move to a place with health care for everyone,. Lots of doctor's where ten times more of a peasant than any of us lucky enough to have been born here.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: PaulAtreides]
#4344282 - 06/27/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok, so let's pose another hypothetical situation. Anyone can answer this one.
Let's say all of a sudden you are homeless. Doesn't matter how you got that way. You just are. You try getting a job at a few places, but they wont hire you, because you don't have a permanent mailing address or a phone. Well after wandering the streets for a couple days, you start to get a little hungry. You make a sign saying will work for food, but people just give you nasty looks. You find a few scraps in the dumpster. Mmmm moldy bread. That holds you over for a little while, but somehow it's just not enough. Greedy bastard. So you ask someone for some change so you can buy a sandwich, they think you just want to get drunk, even though you dont drink.. and call you some nasty name. So by now you are starving.. you've slept in the cold for a week and there's not a salvation army or homeless shelter for 100 miles. No one will even give you the time of day. You go into a megastore, they have more food than you have ever seen. Surely you could steal a few things to eat and get away with it.
Are you going to steal the food.. or say no, that's wrong, and stealing drives up prices for the regular consumers, so I'll just die.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: buckwheat]
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Ok, I can see where you are coming from.
But in America at least, to become a doctor.. you need to go to college for about 12 years. Medical school costs shitloads of money. How are you gonna pay for it? And how are you gonna afford to live for those 12 years while you are in school? If you were a peasant to begin with.
Most peasants don't even get a chance to think about college. They have to start working as soon as they are old enough to help support the family.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344319 - 06/27/05 06:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Im just saying there is way to be rich without conforming.
now how is another story i don't know to be honest. i just know lots of doctors where dirt poor i think its just a matter of wanting it really wanting it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Dreamer987]
#4344332 - 06/27/05 06:06 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Dreamer987 said: Stealing is wrong no matter how you justify it... that said. Who gives a fuck? Its wall-mart. I'd hit it, and have several times. back in the day i used to steal for kicks. Wallyworlds, malls, conveniense stores. Basicly anything that i could get away with. amased a treasure trove of little pocket sized trinkets. It was a blast, and i never felt bad about it. untill i got caught. I was drunk, and my shiste skills were dulled. I lost my freedom for 8months and so i promised myself. No more stupid juvenile delinquent shit. If i get popped, its not going to be for something like shopplifting.
Your talking about stealing form big stores, and not little ones. Because the big corporations are rich, and that makes it o.k. What your really saying is, i don't want to victimize someone on a personal level. Or someone who isn't filthy rich. And thats understandable. You walk into a little store, and that dude standing behind the counter probly owns the store.
i don't know wher i'm going with this... Take a deep look at wher your morals lie. Consider Robbing from rich people instead of rick corporations. Its easyer.
But than again my moral compass, and or better judgement can be way off sometimes.
Yeah. Well you have some people who got rich because they manipulated people, lied, cheated, stole and possibly killed their way to the top. You have others who were just born rich. And you have others who worked hard to get there, and lived honestly. I don't think there's any clear-cut way to distinguish, unless you know the history.
Personally, I don't see a big problem with stealing pennies from multi-million dollar corporations. Now if you steal from the mom-and-pop store down the road, to me that is morally wrong.
It really depends on your perspective. Isn't the superstore "stealing" from the mom and pop stores by undercutting all their prices and taking all their customers.. or is that just good business practice
Call me crazy.. call me absolutely freaking nuts. But I think wal-mart could stand to lose a couple apples without going bankrupt and jacking prices through the roof.
Whether it's morally right or not is completely subjective. Good for me, bad (very very slightly) for wal mart.
Now take Eastmann's chemical plant, in Tennessee. Dumping waste (most likely toxic) into the rivers. OUR rivers. To me, that's a crime. Much more evil than a hungry person stealing. But that's socially accepted. Just like it's usually ok to kill someone, if you are in the military, or a cop. But that's besides the point.
There shouldn't even be hungry people in the first fucking place. There is MORE than enough food to feed EVERYONE on Earth.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344334 - 06/27/05 06:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, I think a little tolerance in this sort of thing would be due someone who became homeless through no fault of their own. However, if you become homeless because you chose to, and/or wasted money on stupid shit like tattoos, piercings and online pharmaceuticals, you should get no sympathy....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344339 - 06/27/05 06:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't steal
period
and hypothetically you're saying all your friends and family are gone?
even if I was starving I wouldn't steal but I find it hard that a person couldn't find some work somewhere
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
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Mouldy bread? It doesn't have to be that way man In Toronto there's a paper on the street directed at homeless people that rates the best dumpsters from which to get leftover food, the rating system use to be 5 stars for a first class bin but it's been( i was going to say bin but i resisted the urge ) a while since i saw a copy of the paper. There's always a soup kitchen or some other charity organization where you can get a hot meal, also try food banks, although i think you might have to be able to prove you are recieving welfare to qualify, you used to up here.
What about just collecting empty returnable bottles for a refund? Another neat trick is to go and hang out an the airport(obviously you need to be in a large metropolis to pull this one off) You'd be amazed how many people put a buck into the baggage cart, drive it to their car and just leave it there too lazy to take it back and get thir dollar refund,just take the cart back to where he others ar and get the dollar out. There's all kinds of shit you can do to scrape up some money without stealing
Do you guys have an apotex down there?(generic drug company) up here they pay you $300 for a weekend of being a human pin cushion for whatever experimental drug they want to test out to make sure it doesn't turn people into 3 headed hamsters, what about blood banks? They're alway looking for a few pints Be resourceful man, that's K3Y....
Get a cheap piece of shit used lawnmower and knock on people's doors asking if they would like you to cut their lawn, most people are so lazy these days they'd rather pay someone 10 to 20$ just so thy don't have to do it themselves, same in winter: get an old used shovel and do the same thing, if even 3 or 4 people say yes you have $60 of non declarably tax free interest in your pocket for generally less than 4 hours work....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344354 - 06/27/05 06:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote You make a sign saying will work for food, but people just give you nasty looks.
I dont give people like that shitty looks...I give em a dollar or two pretty regular besides if say you hold a sign up for say 2 hrs youre gonna have enough cash to at least get a fuckkin happy ass meal Ive seen people hand the sign holders a sack fresh from Wataburger with a coke to wash the burger fries down with If you ever get that hungry and cant get any money the YMCA will feed you and give you a cot for the night. Thats just one of the good things about this country When i was a young Paw Paw i saw what goes on in other countrys It made me sick but it also made me hate the fuckkin flag burning "I hate America types" Rant rant rant ill shut up now
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4344375 - 06/27/05 06:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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prefloppro said: Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
Yeah, gotta hate all those doctors who spend their lives slaving to save lives, or even worse scientists, authors, philosophers, etc..
They are so stupid, imagine they could be stealing from walmart and sleeping under bridges huddled around flaming barrels like the smart people.
If you said you wanted to leave society and take care of yourself, farm your own fruits/vegetables, hunt your own meat or fish, create your own shelter, etc.. Then I'd say go for it, but you are eating crumbs of a society you want out of..
Well if you want out of it then you do it properly, not just feed of its crumbs..
Look at communes, or earn enough money god forbid with a real job and buy a small piece of land out in the many woods in the USA or Canada. Build your own little home, and live off the land!
I have a friend who's brother is a hermit who lives in a cabin far from society, no TV, no Internet, no phone.. He hunts/traps/fishes and has a small garden.. He even sells some fur for money to buy items from the nearest town.
Stealing is for weak people.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: PaulAtreides]
#4344392 - 06/27/05 06:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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You guys all make good points.
ToiletDuk - everyone makes mistakes. but how are you going to decide who became homeless through no fault of their own or stupid decisions? who wasted money on tattoos, piercings, pharmies and became homeless? I think that everyone deserves sympathy, simply for being human.
Goobler - it is rare I admit.. but sometimes work is hard to find, especially for homeless people.. even the most able-bodied and ambitious. Hypothetically, you would have friends and family, but they don't want you, or you have very bad relations for whatever reason. Granted that's a close to worst case scenario hypothetical situation.. but it's not too far from reality for a lot of homeless people. I had a friend that was homeless and stayed with me because he couldn't go live with his dad because he beat him since he was like 5. I mean granted, everyone has a different situation.. and work can usually be found somewhere.. but it's not always that clean cut. Anyway I helped get him a job (under the table) and helped him save up and now he lives in hawaii and works on a papaya farm. Should've done the same for myself.
Freak - a paper that tells homeless people where the best dumpsters are?? Man I've never even heard of anything like that. And yes.. it is much easier to find sources of money and ways to make it in a metropolitan area. Anyone who is resourceful with a little motivation can make it on the streets.
Paw - And that's kind of you. It's because of people like you that homeless people don't always have to starve to death or die of hypothermia. Not that that's a problem in texas, I imagine.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344410 - 06/27/05 06:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk - everyone makes mistakes. but how are you going to decide who became homeless through no fault of their own or stupid decisions?
Oh sure, we all make mistakes. Well, say someone became homeless because they blew all their money on meth or the like, for example.
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who wasted money on tattoos, piercings, pharmies and became homeless?
I'm not accusing anyone specifically, but I have seen some very well tattoo'ed/pierced homeless people at the soup kitchen I volunteer for.
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I think that everyone deserves sympathy, simply for being human.
Yes, they do. And there is help for them. You'd be hard pressed to find a town where there were no places willing to help. I love in a little town of about 26K population, and there's even places here for the homeless. The point is that stealing is not always the only option open to these people....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4344415 - 06/27/05 06:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I was abit of a cleptomaniac when I was a youngster. I have since changed my ways and views drastically. I thought and still think along the ways that you speak of; all of the corporate reasoning and justification for doing a wrong deed. It still has it's major consequences regardless of the "benevolent" intent. I used to not be able to go into any kind of chain store without ganking something! If you get caught, you will go to jail. Especially if you get caught stealing from places like Wal-Mart, Target, Best Buy, etc. They have a no tolerance policy that is no bullshit. Trust me. So, you must be careful, my friend. You have to ask yourself "Is this shit I am stealing worth a day or 3 of my freedom?". Then, after you ask and answer that question, you will know where your priorities are. Hope this helps. Peace
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Thor]
#4344419 - 06/27/05 06:40 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I applaud that statement Thor... I hate when i dont work ...working makes me feel good about myself even when i was "Working for da man" At least we can apply ourselves here and actually be making it on our own How many small businesses are kicking it south of the border?
Beware, my love, He?ll bowl you over. Beware, my love, Before you?re much older, He?ll sweep you up under his carpet.
You?d be in luck if you could stop it. Come on, now.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Thor]
#4344423 - 06/27/05 06:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I appreciate everyone's input in this thread, (besides perhaps Goobler, who said I'm scum and should kill myself for even considering stealing from a corporation...) and want to make clear that I do not currently shoplift, but that I wanted to learn about it before making any decisions that could land me in jail. I don't need to steal at present, but who knows when I could be kicked to the curb with nowhere to go. As far as getting an office job and Lexus in 10 years, I've already been in that world. I worked an office job for close to a year and hated every minute of it. I vowed never to return to that level of material slave wage. When I use the term "slave wage", I am not talking about doctors and other professions who's duties actually help society. I'm talking about the countless meaningless bullshit jobs that are the only thing available to an "uneducated" lower class kid. I loathe that world and I will never let my life be consumed by money, like so many others I observe. I have absolutely no problems with work, although it's hard for me to get many jobs, since I'm not a clean-cut android full of smiles and yes sir's. But that's okay, because it IS my choice. And I wouldn't have it any other way.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Le_Canard]
#4344424 - 06/27/05 06:42 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ToiletDuk said: Oh sure, we all make mistakes. Well, say someone became homeless because they blew all their money on meth or the like, for example.
Well, that would be a pretty bad decision. And I guess they would have to learn the hard way. But should they just be forgetten about.. not given another chance to improve? We learn from our mistakes... even the worst ones. Well, the lesson is there.. it's up to the individual whether they learn from it or not.
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Yes, they do. And there is help for them. You'd be hard pressed to find a town where there were no places willing to help. I love in a little town of about 26K population, and there's even places here for the homeless. The point is that stealing is not always the only option open to these people....
Yes that is true.. it is never the only option. There are tons of options. Some people choose to commit a crime just so they can go to jail where they have shelter, food, and medical care for free. Some people choose to rob people. Some choose to work, some choose to sit on the corner and beg change. Some just want to die. Some steal.. it's the way of the streets.. survival. Well, except for the people that want to die. Then all bets are off.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344426 - 06/27/05 06:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not that stealing is okay or anything but the book Steal this Book by Abbie Hoffman I think it is is a very educational read on this subject but it is very outdated so its for educational purpouses only.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4344432 - 06/27/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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very outdated indeed. but still an awesome book.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344440 - 06/27/05 06:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, but you don't have to steal to survive. I know plenty of peeps that making it without stealing and these people struggle, for sure, but they still carry their good karma with them and that has it's rewards. I have seen it.
Edit-Iwas replying to your previous statement.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344448 - 06/27/05 06:51 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is true.. and I'm not arguing against that. But do you really think it's bad karma to steal from corporations? I see stealing from individuals, and small businesses that can feel the impact as bad karma. But I don't see it the same for major companies. I don't know, maybe I'm just fucked up in the head.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344476 - 06/27/05 07:02 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nah you aren't fucked in the head, man. At least not too bad. It still comes to the ultimate moral, when you strip all of the justifications away, IT IS STILL STEALING AND STEALING IS WRONG. That is all.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344480 - 06/27/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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mmmmmk
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344481 - 06/27/05 07:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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lol
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344526 - 06/27/05 07:14 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344530 - 06/27/05 07:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well toronto is @ the 6th largest city in north america and we have a somewhat sizeable homeless population so i suppose it it only a natural outgrowth that they have their very own newspaper(i think it's called "Outreach") Somehow i can't fail to see the humour in allocating different dumpsters ratings based on freshness of food, accesability etc I would think just using common sense that pizza places would be a good bet as well as bakeries
What about temporary job placement services? We have canada manpower, industrial overload and a shitload of smaller independently run establishments of similar ilk. You go there first thing in the morning and they usually have a job lined up for you for a day or 2, if you really impress the manager/foreman or w/e at this temporary gig you could always see if they would be willing to hire you full or part time
How about busking man? I know you're a musician, sure playing guitar on a street corner isn't exactly the same as headlining at Carnegie hall but if it's going to keep you from going hungry it's always an option. Actually Dave Gilmour and Syd Barret of the floyd did that B4 Barrett formed the Floyd so who knows where that could lead?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#4344543 - 06/27/05 07:17 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Always a pleasure to see you posting, Freak. Hope things are well.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344551 - 06/27/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shroomism said: This is true.. and I'm not arguing against that. But do you really think it's bad karma to steal from corporations? I see stealing from individuals, and small businesses that can feel the impact as bad karma. But I don't see it the same for major companies. I don't know, maybe I'm just fucked up in the head.
I don't think you are fucked in the head man, but i think you MAY be rationalizing, not saying you are but simply raising the spectre of possibility
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344559 - 06/27/05 07:20 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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remember when bart got caught stealing the bonestorm game, and the guard told him he was banned from the store for life, then he deleted the message, and his mom took him there to get a family portrait.. then the guard grabs him and ruins the picture. So homer yells at him. And marge refuses to talk to him.. so he goes back to the store and gets a picture of himself. Then he ends up getting a a golf game for christmas.
yeah I dont know what the moral is either..but I bet bonestorm would be cool!
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344564 - 06/27/05 07:21 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist, as far as stealing food goes.. thats the only thing i've stolen since i got caught when i was 15. you can't avoid trucks.. or petro-emissions, unless you litterally walk everywhere, never using the bus or public transportation. I admire your dedication to Earth and our environment, I am very conscious of it as well, but there are more productive things do to for her than steal.
On the other hand. Fuck wal-mart, its employees steal anything that isn't nailed down anyway. Stealing doesn't really raise prices in large retailers because their prices are set across the country or appropriated to the local economies by accountants.. what stealing will do is cause higher security personnel and less clerks.
-===[ What i recommend is finding a big supermarket like Albertson's or Safeway or Walmart etc. that leaves shit outside overnight after they close.. There usually is still people working inside, but they'll never see you.. anything that a supermarket leaves out front at night is their donation to the community as far as i'm concerned.. Mmm chips and dip, wood for fire, watermellons, all kiinds of stuff with little to no risk.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vivid]
#4344578 - 06/27/05 07:23 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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ha ha ha! That was a good one! I love the Simpsons
Back on topic. If you are going to steal, Adamist, you should expect consequences. Either directly or indirectly, you will pay for the actions that you choose to do. Either good or bad. Edit- This was intended for Shroomism and Adamist, Sorry.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344587 - 06/27/05 07:25 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thankyou for the kind words and salubrious incantations I'm just in the process of moving into a new(and much cheaper) domicile and this new place is schweet, i think i'm going to like it there I mean i've really enjoyed my 7 an a half year stay in my current abode but it really is just living a bit beyond my means
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: blissedout]
#4344600 - 06/27/05 07:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Anybody have any "swinger" stories? (Author: RandalFlagg) Anybody have any "pure evil" stories? (Author: RandalFlagg) Anybody ever been in a taboo relationship? (Author: RandalFlagg)
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vivid]
#4344610 - 06/27/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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For major corporations stealing probably doesn'rt raise the prices dramatically, but what about profit sharing? Think of the money you're taking out of the pockets of the employees(not all employees steal) who work their asses off for peanuts at these places just trying to get by, i mean sure i'm playing devil's advocate here i know but still.....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#4344619 - 06/27/05 07:32 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well for temp jobs.. the only places I have seen would be like labor ready places, where you go in at 6am with two forms of ID and do labor for $6 an hour or something. There's always those, but I've only seen them in urban areas, few and far between.
Busking? So that's what it's called. Yeah man.. I have no shame in playing music on the street. I think its kind of cool actually.. random people will stop to listen to you jam out.. sometimes a crazy broad will stop and sit next to you and start singing janis joplin or something.
I'm not actually even talking about myself in these hypothetical scenarios. Sure, I've been in some tough spots and had to deal with some things like that, but in general I think I have it pretty good. I have a lot of friends, all over the country, that have helped me out so much. Family too. I don't have a hard time making friends either. I can usually find work easily, find a place to stay, food to eat. In one sense of the word I am homeless, in another sense I am sort of just a wandering vagabond, an ecclectic or something.. just a guy without a permanent residence. It's depressing sometimes when you think you don't have a place you can go to call your own, but I had that once and gave it up by choice. And when I think about how many people have it so much worse than me.. I forget all about it. Someday I will probably find a place I really like and settle down, but that day is not today. Everyone I talk to who has any sort of wisdom, says to travel while you still can. I may not be rich, but I am travelling, somehow I manage to make it. And it is certainly exciting. A huge learning experience. I meet so many amazing people. I bet ten years from now I will look back on this crazy time and think how I wouldn't trade it for anything. And look.. I'm homeless and on the internet.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Shroomism]
#4344680 - 06/27/05 07:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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in another sense I am sort of just a wandering vagabond, an ecclectic or something..
I think the word you may have been looking for is mendicant All the more power to you man, seriously though, when you're young is the time to travel and broaden your horizons, maybe the day will come when you feel like settling down and if and when that day comes you'll be a far richer(depth wise, i didn't necessarily mean monetarily) multifaceted person for you zany adventures in the here and now <<< I'm sorry for overusing this emote but it is so ME
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#4344916 - 06/27/05 09:03 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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all i have to say is stealing from other people is not cool
if u want to steal from large corps. , knock yourself out.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4344956 - 06/27/05 09:11 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey that's the best idea ever! and to post it on the internet first! omg you are like such a genius you should really do it.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Amethyst_Acid]
#4344975 - 06/27/05 09:15 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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If sarcasm was acceptable currency D3WD, you would be a rich man
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: FreakQlibrium]
#4345000 - 06/27/05 09:22 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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omg fo sho
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Amethyst_Acid]
#4345029 - 06/27/05 09:34 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Unfortunately sarcasm and wry wit are not very marketable commodities these days
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Amethyst_Acid]
#4345036 - 06/27/05 09:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey chill your shit..i got you a special meal planned ...you need to be a good little Pubber if you wanna eat my shit **Knauknucked sannwiches OTD is down there buster
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vivid]
#4345058 - 06/27/05 09:47 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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vivid said: On the other hand. Fuck wal-mart, its employees steal anything that isn't nailed down anyway. Stealing doesn't really raise prices in large retailers because their prices are set across the country or appropriated to the local economies by accountants.. what stealing will do is cause higher security personnel and less clerks.
Thats just not right to say they all steal from the company they work for. Who are you to say something like that. Yes the company they work for might not be the most moral around but maybe they don't have the option to go somewhere else and are at least giving an effort before becoming a fucking theif. Scum bastard.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345062 - 06/27/05 09:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not even going to read this thread. I don't need ideas in my mind. I stole stuff for a short period when I was 10 or 11. It's a rush, but I faced small consequences. I hope you find a way other than stealing to get whatever 'rush' or goal you are trying to accomplish in life. I will ask before I steal, and steal before I starve. Which pretty much means I will never steal again, especially since I am learning to forage my own food in the wild
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: PaulAtreides]
#4345064 - 06/27/05 09:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I ain't gonna eat your shit you sick old perv! Now on the other hand if you want to send my up some of your home made turtle soup i will be only to happy to oblige Anyway man, i'm out of here for tonight, been awake since @ 2 am Have a GR8 one everyone I can't believe i'm posting in the Pub
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THE KRAT BARON
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345072 - 06/27/05 09:53 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hoody and baggy pants with a belt.
The unconspicuous slickness that comes natural to some.
That's all you need.
Iv shoplifted more times than I can count on fingers and toes even if I had a couple sets of hands and feet. It's all about the slickness man.. I was never cought once. Came damn close though. Im not proud of this but I was a wild teenager and loved to take things.
If you have to ask this question it might not be best for you to be shoplifting..
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4345096 - 06/27/05 10:05 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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mattzdope said: If you have to ask this question it might not be best for you to be shoplifting..
besides slipping under the radar this is key most people that get caught is because of body language
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345101 - 06/27/05 10:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I know fuckers that steal from Walmart all the time..big items and walk out.I mean cordless drills and shit like that....and get away with it and cameras are all over the place...there is no way I would do anything like that now..but back when I was younger I might have still stole smokes from 7-11 and beers and shit..I never was no big theif though..it was mainly things I was not old enough to get yet...
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345110 - 06/27/05 10:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I can just hear your progenitors saying: "My son the sociopath - just look at his sharp ability to rationalize crime."
Advice?: Cop some morals. Be a mensch.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#4345135 - 06/27/05 10:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This thread is officialy immoral. Markos never posts anywhere but S&P as far as I have seen.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4345162 - 06/27/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh shit, according to my church if you do anything other then the commandments or the church tell you to do..you are worshiping the devil...I read that and threw away my bible and book of mormon...seriously..I was reading it again in my mid 20's to see what I was missing..and I read that and I freaked...also in the bible they talk about now days..were people are having percings and body art..and living in the now and having group sex...evil ahhh.. god I hate religon...I am a sinner no matter how good i am..and I have a nice hippy guy and I still am a sinner...and i still will go to hell.....
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345195 - 06/27/05 10:39 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Stealing is stealing, I don't care if it's from a "faceless corporation". I hate Wal-Mart more than anyone but that doesn't mean I'm going to steal from them.
I can't believe you've suddenly decided it would be a good idea to shoplift... maybe you'll learn a lesson the hard way, eh?
Don't get me wrong, I have no moral objections to stealing from companies. I just think you're a fucking idiot for considering it
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: mantis]
#4345210 - 06/27/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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One of shroomisms brave followers of braindeadness is now a thieving vagabond. I am not at all surprised to see him, too, fall into the depths of depravity. Awesome!
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: mantis]
#4345215 - 06/27/05 10:44 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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I stole smokes when I was 18, and the legal age to smoke in utah is 19..I was an adult but you had to be the mormon missionary age to smoke?? is this state strange or what??
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4345446 - 06/28/05 12:05 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ok so I used to work a at grocery store. You don't have to worry about the upright beepy things unless you have stolend 1)some kinde of electronic 2)something that has a label of the store on it. The camreas that someone mentioned were fake arn't they are all real, they are usually not watched by someone in the store, usually at an office like 2 hourse away. Also ACTUALLY BUY SOMETHING. The store I worked at you could chase anyone you thought was stealing. When you don't buy something usually the people that work at the registers actually do look out for shit like that.
Also never steal alchohol there is usually someone watching the alchohol section at all times.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Stonerguy]
#4345640 - 06/28/05 01:00 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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The cameras at Wal-Mart are real and they are watched. I worked there for about 6 months last year. However I do not know how well they are watched seeing as Iv stolen shit from there in the past before I started working there. I was never caught. Came close one time.
I was 15 and jacked a bottle of cologne and forgot to take the electronic tag off of it. Walked through and the alarm went off so the people greeter came walking up behind me really fast and asked me to come back into the store. He was walking in front of me and I slickly took the cologne out of my pants and let it drop right behind the second set of doors as I was walking in. Walked back through the alarm it didnt go off, the people greeter turned to give somebody a cart, i dipped and grabbed my cologne, and left without a problem.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4345668 - 06/28/05 01:06 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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at walmart the greeters are always like 80 years old. you could have just walked away ^_^
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: looner2]
#4345674 - 06/28/05 01:08 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Flame on loser
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4345739 - 06/28/05 01:23 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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vivid said: On the other hand. Fuck wal-mart, its employees steal anything that isn't nailed down anyway. Stealing doesn't really raise prices in large retailers because their prices are set across the country or appropriated to the local economies by accountants.. what stealing will do is cause higher security personnel and less clerks.
Thats just not right to say they all steal from the company they work for. Who are you to say something like that. Yes the company they work for might not be the most moral around but maybe they don't have the option to go somewhere else and are at least giving an effort before becoming a fucking theif. Scum bastard.
haha i touch a nerve or something? your mom work for walmart? Ive worked for big grocers supermarkets whatever.. and ya, I have the experience to say that just about everyone that works for them steals shit at osme point.. wheter its outright hiding shit down their pants, or mislabeling shit and checking themselves out.. get your head out your ass.. scum bastard.. Ahhahaha.. walmart doesn't even pay living wages.. think about it dork.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4345877 - 06/28/05 02:10 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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To start off with, I'd just like to say that Adamist, it seems like you're just abusively rationalizing immoral behavior. Working is contributing in some way to society (if it wasn't contributing, they wouldn't pay you to do it)--at least that applies to just about every job. You sound like one of the chicks in the story of the Little Red Hen. You don't want to 'be a slave' to helping grow the grain, knead the dough and bake the bread, but you still want to eat some of it. That is just an immature attitude towards life. Responsibility is a part of life, if you want to eat, have shelter and warmth, you have to give back in some way. If you find that hard, find a job that you get some sort of enjoyment out of, or else, tough. That's life. Stealing from others, however you might rationalize it, is immoral or as you might put it, will undoubtedly bring back bad 'karma'.
Now as a sidenote, I'd like to add to the economic effects of stealing. While I think it is disgusting selfish, lazy, morally relativist, irresponsible and immature, I don't think for a corporation like Wal-mart it is going to affect prices really. A corporation like Walmart is not likely to set prices based on cost. That is to say, they don't add up all of their costs and just tack on a completely arbitrary 15% markup to it. They determine demand, that is, what consumers are willing to pay. Just because some stuff is stolen does not mean that consumers are suddenly willing to pay more. Now if all stores were stolen from equally, I believe this would inevitably drive up prices. However, if just the big corporations were being stolen from, who have already have a large ability to win price wars with smaller competitors, I think this would just give a competitive advantage to the smaller stores.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4346109 - 06/28/05 06:13 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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May I suggest instead living in a commune where you grow your own food and share it amongst each other. This way, all participants are willing, and no one is getting ripped off.
Communes require lots of hard agricultural work from its members, which I think is one of Adamist's main justifications for stealing rather than earning your keep.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: QuantumMeltdown]
#4346139 - 06/28/05 06:49 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never say never. Check.
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WanderingStudent
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
#4346329 - 06/28/05 09:36 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just a minor footnote concerning wal-mart policy. If you want to steal food from wal-mart, eat it in the store. You can't be charged for theft, you'll simply be removed from the store. Food merchandise produces the lowest profit margin for wal mart, seeing as how it is there mainly to attract customers to shop there and purchase other high-profit merchandise, such as electronics.
The other point is the most noteable impact of theft from wal mart: The employees. Once a year, an army of people from some independant firm come and count every damned piece of merchandise in the store. From those numbers, it is calculated how much merchandise is missing, from where the merchandise is missing, and the value of said merchandise. Depending on the percentage of unaccounted for merchandise, or "shrink," employees are given a bonus. This is a pass-fail system. On top of that, it subsidizes the substandard pay rate that many employees depend upon. The point is that stealing from wal-mart is not "sticking it to the man." As a company that has grown so large, it has put a great deal of buffers in place to reduce expenses and loses.
In short, just because your goofy ass wants the latest 50cent cd and mom/dad think $50 a week is too much for you to spend, learn some fucking self control. If you want to be real rustic survivor, hunt with a stick, wear a loin cloth, and forage your own fucking berries.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Diploid]
#4346339 - 06/28/05 09:43 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: May I suggest instead living in a commune where you grow your own food and share it amongst each other. This way, all participants are willing, and no one is getting ripped off.
Communes require lots of hard agricultural work from its members, which I think is one of Adamist's main justifications for stealing rather than earning your keep.
I think what he was against was wage labor, not labor itself. At least that's the impression I got. Maybe he just is a lazy bum, but I got the impression that he's just not down with the capitalist mode of production.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4346380 - 06/28/05 10:09 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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This kind of discussion cracks me up. People have all these preconceived notions about what's right or wrong, who "owns" what, and what "belongs" to who.
Look, if you need something, go ahead and take it. Someone's claim of ownership is just that, a claim. It means nothing, because things don't really belong to anyone.
To Adamist et al: Just be sure your motivations are for need and not greed. Otherwise people are going to lose out. When people start taking things out of greed is when things fall apart.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: moog]
#4346388 - 06/28/05 10:16 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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My concern here is not for what belongs to whom, it's about who suffers. Big companies like WalMart are very good at passing the burden onto someone else(apparently the employees in this case). Why should the people who work there feel the repurcussions of someone who doesn't want to work at all?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4346434 - 06/28/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah, I wasn't really addressing you specifically, but you have a very good point.
That's kind of what I'm saying when I'm talking about need/greed. If you're someone who's going to take something from one of these stores, you should be aware of the consequences, and how it affects other people. You gotta be thinking aobut everyone's needs and not just your own.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: looner2]
#4347192 - 06/28/05 03:00 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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looner2 said: One of shroomisms brave followers of braindeadness is now a thieving vagabond. I am not at all surprised to see him, too, fall into the depths of depravity. Awesome!
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Diploid]
#4347210 - 06/28/05 03:08 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Diploid said: May I suggest instead living in a commune where you grow your own food and share it amongst each other. This way, all participants are willing, and no one is getting ripped off.
Communes require lots of hard agricultural work from its members, which I think is one of Adamist's main justifications for stealing rather than earning your keep.
No, my main justification is that it's a victimless crime. It hurts no individual. Corporate stores have so much money and product that they have to throw tons of it away each week. Instead of throwing it away, why don't they give it to homeless shelters? It just pisses me off, and I still don't see any reason why I shouldn't steal from places like Wal-Mart. Although whether I will or not in the future remains to be seen.
As far as hard work is concerned, I have no problem with it, when it is meaningful work. Working the fields for my own purposes = OK. Working the fields so that corporations get filthy rich = not for me. You can believe me or not, but unless you know me offline you don't really know, now do you?
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: moog]
#4347212 - 06/28/05 03:10 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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moog said: To Adamist et al: Just be sure your motivations are for need and not greed. Otherwise people are going to lose out. When people start taking things out of greed is when things fall apart.
Trust me, I know.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4347220 - 06/28/05 03:13 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Happen to miss my post pal? Most of the time, the concept of "victimless crimes" are just to alleviate the person's conscience.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4347226 - 06/28/05 03:18 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here I go.
This thread is really long, and maybe later i will have the patience to read all the way through it, but right now, it's go time.
Anywho, as far as stories :
When i was 12 years old i was caught "sort of shop-lifting"...I had over 100 dollars of merchandise stuffed into my then fashionable 50 inch jnco jail house pants (fitting right, haha)..and then i had felt a horrible gut-pain, so I put it all back. being an indecisive child, that was a damned good decision. the "man" confronted me, because he saw me stuffin my pants with nonsense, and then putting it back, to furthermore teach me at that ripe old age that those little black bubbles on the ceiling were infact cameras, lol. Boy were they in for it. the shoulda never told me, cause all i did from then on was alotta stealth mode corporate book stealing, and learn the removal of the magnetised little things in cds, books, etc. finding out that all of the upright alarms are fake (besides electronic stores and libraries), and hiding from corner mirrors. so much fun! ! ! Anyways, Target Stores taught me the safe way to not get caught at a very young age
Since then i have been whole heartedly ripping off BAM, BnN, Sally's, Michael's, and on a good day....Anal-Mart.
Now i dont just go into these places and steal shit, I buy things as well, as to not look overly suspicious. I talk with the employees, ask them questions about their products, buy something i inquire about, then ride the fuggggg out.
I have never stolen from friends, family, or independant stores. No reason too. And i understand the small business pain from shoplifting. For one they arent equipt financial to have all around store cameras, or even cashier cameras if they were to get robbed. dont steal from the poor, steal from the conglomerate.
You arent hurting the employees. Shit, i had employees of michaels craft store confirm for me the "no chase" policy and that the plastic bubble ceiling ornaments were fake.
Also the alarm systems at BAM are fake, at least in florida. the alarm systems at BnN have never tripped for me, in 3 different states.
Now, i havent been shoplifting as much as i used to. considering I am in a new place and dont know the tricks of the trade in this area, and since i am a legal "adult" now, I dont want to find out the hard way.
But, shoplifting is a rush and it is fun, exciting, and dangerous. I am ok with the art of ripping off a store that only pays 5 cents for a pair of socks, and retails them for 8 dollars. same thing with mass produced books. same thing with 12 dollar acrylic paints. fuck it.
Now if this makes me the scum of the earth, SO BE IT! im not stealing from you, your mom, or your store.
now that i have that out in the open, time for a couple more stories.
remember the hype with magic the gathering? Oh of course you do. Now, people like me were makin mad bank off of kids at school, whos parents had just a little too much money, buy walking in Toys-R-Us stores and picking out the cheapest, most plastic biggest box of fake weapons we could find, taking the weapon out, making LOTS of space for magic the gathering cards, which were runnin up to 20 bucks a set. get 25-40 of those sets in there, come back later, preferablly when closing, purchase the "gun", pay 12 bucks or whatever, then watch as the cashier runs the box through the desensitzer machine, and witness every magnet inside the box becaome free of alarm-ness. wow. now thats america. you are king of middle school.
Also, more childhood stories, me and my anarcho punk friends who were such geeks, oh yeah thats us, would rob Books a Million for all the got, when it came to Adavanced Dungeons and Dragons master books. 20 bucks for a paper back fantasy rpg guide? yeah right! and it was so dmned obvious! we would walk in the twice a day with back packs empty, and walk out living large through our nylon jansports! no one ever said a word.
and back before comelot music was bought out by specs, and then fye, their alarms were fake too. and even though those cds had very bulky plastic protecters on them, they are merely invincible through a childrens stroller. why not babysit, make money, and not be second guessed in a music store? seemed to work fine. haha, i was young, and yeah, that was kinda fucked up, lol.
i could go on and on about how i have expanded my library, cd collection, hair dye supply, and expensive art supplies, but i think ill quit.
reminder. i am the scum of the earth, and never ever ever try this at home. this was a long time ago, before shoplifting was a crime, haha. you know, the 90s? Oh shit.
Roger that, im out
-Ares the scum
PS. Goob, I dont think Adamist would ever steal from you, so dont theaten him with the breakin of his limbs. For the record, i wouldnt steal from you either, cause you most likely PAID for it, haha.
Fuck the man, and eat dumpstered bagels and donuts damnit.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4347231 - 06/28/05 03:19 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here is my shoplifting story:
When I was 17, I liked to steal. I mostly stole make-up and hair products, because they're outrageously expensive. I walked out with a fully baked chicken (it smelled delicious) and a salad once from a Brookshires. After awhile I stole cameras, wall-hangings and statues, as well as toys. I stole everything I could just because I wanted it. At this point, it was just getting silly.
My day of reckoning was to come. I was in the mall, and saw a little patch in Claires. This patch was only two dollars. I easily could have bought it. But I stole it instead. And got busted. All over a stupid little patch.
Nothing really happened to me. I got my picture taken and a lecture by a security guard. Oh yeah, and a warrent for my arrest when I never paid the fine.
After this incident, I went on a major make-up shoplifting spree, just to "prove" to myself that I wasn't scared of being caught.
But then after that, I never did it again.
Anyway, that's my tale. I personally think now that the act of taking what doesn't belong to you is wrong, even if you are targeting large corporations. But it's your choice. If you get caught you're the one who'll reap the consequences, not anyone else. That's why I feel pretty ambivalent towards this post. I feel it's wrong, but it's your choice.
But when you get caught you'll feel like a total dumbass. (or at least I did)
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
#4347272 - 06/28/05 03:38 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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XOIIAresIIOX said: Here I go.
This thread is really long, and maybe later i will have the patience to read all the way through it, but right now, it's go time.
Anywho, as far as stories :
When i was 12 years old i was caught "sort of shop-lifting"...I had over 100 dollars of merchandise stuffed into my then fashionable 50 inch jnco jail house pants (fitting right, haha)..and then i had felt a horrible gut-pain, so I put it all back. being an indecisive child, that was a damned good decision. the "man" confronted me, because he saw me stuffin my pants with nonsense, and then putting it back, to furthermore teach me at that ripe old age that those little black bubbles on the ceiling were infact cameras, lol. Boy were they in for it. the shoulda never told me, cause all i did from then on was alotta stealth mode corporate book stealing, and learn the removal of the magnetised little things in cds, books, etc. finding out that all of the upright alarms are fake (besides electronic stores and libraries), and hiding from corner mirrors. so much fun! ! ! Anyways, Target Stores taught me the safe way to not get caught at a very young age
Since then i have been whole heartedly ripping off BAM, BnN, Sally's, Michael's, and on a good day....Anal-Mart.
Now i dont just go into these places and steal shit, I buy things as well, as to not look overly suspicious. I talk with the employees, ask them questions about their products, buy something i inquire about, then ride the fuggggg out.
I have never stolen from friends, family, or independant stores. No reason too. And i understand the small business pain from shoplifting. For one they arent equipt financial to have all around store cameras, or even cashier cameras if they were to get robbed. dont steal from the poor, steal from the conglomerate.
You arent hurting the employees. Shit, i had employees of michaels craft store confirm for me the "no chase" policy and that the plastic bubble ceiling ornaments were fake.
Also the alarm systems at BAM are fake, at least in florida. the alarm systems at BnN have never tripped for me, in 3 different states.
Now, i havent been shoplifting as much as i used to. considering I am in a new place and dont know the tricks of the trade in this area, and since i am a legal "adult" now, I dont want to find out the hard way.
But, shoplifting is a rush and it is fun, exciting, and dangerous. I am ok with the art of ripping off a store that only pays 5 cents for a pair of socks, and retails them for 8 dollars. same thing with mass produced books. same thing with 12 dollar acrylic paints. fuck it.
Now if this makes me the scum of the earth, SO BE IT! im not stealing from you, your mom, or your store.
now that i have that out in the open, time for a couple more stories.
remember the hype with magic the gathering? Oh of course you do. Now, people like me were makin mad bank off of kids at school, whos parents had just a little too much money, buy walking in Toys-R-Us stores and picking out the cheapest, most plastic biggest box of fake weapons we could find, taking the weapon out, making LOTS of space for magic the gathering cards, which were runnin up to 20 bucks a set. get 25-40 of those sets in there, come back later, preferablly when closing, purchase the "gun", pay 12 bucks or whatever, then watch as the cashier runs the box through the desensitzer machine, and witness every magnet inside the box becaome free of alarm-ness. wow. now thats america. you are king of middle school.
Also, more childhood stories, me and my anarcho punk friends who were such geeks, oh yeah thats us, would rob Books a Million for all the got, when it came to Adavanced Dungeons and Dragons master books. 20 bucks for a paper back fantasy rpg guide? yeah right! and it was so dmned obvious! we would walk in the twice a day with back packs empty, and walk out living large through our nylon jansports! no one ever said a word.
and back before comelot music was bought out by specs, and then fye, their alarms were fake too. and even though those cds had very bulky plastic protecters on them, they are merely invincible through a childrens stroller. why not babysit, make money, and not be second guessed in a music store? seemed to work fine. haha, i was young, and yeah, that was kinda fucked up, lol.
i could go on and on about how i have expanded my library, cd collection, hair dye supply, and expensive art supplies, but i think ill quit.
reminder. i am the scum of the earth, and never ever ever try this at home. this was a long time ago, before shoplifting was a crime, haha. you know, the 90s? Oh shit.
Roger that, im out
-Ares the scum
PS. Goob, I dont think Adamist would ever steal from you, so dont theaten him with the breakin of his limbs. For the record, i wouldnt steal from you either, cause you most likely PAID for it, haha.
Fuck the man, and eat dumpstered bagels and donuts damnit.
I love you.
ps- I gotta pee!
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MOTH
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
#4347286 - 06/28/05 03:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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hehe, Ares I definitely don't think you're scum because you choose to shoplift. Everyone on this website is morally flexible in some way or another.
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Adamist
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: MOTH]
#4347290 - 06/28/05 03:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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If I did deciade to steal, I would be prepared to face the consequences. It would be no one's fault but my own if I got caught.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4347296 - 06/28/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Adamist said: If I did deciade to steal, I would be prepared to face the consequences. It would be no one's fault but my own if I got caught.
yeah, that's what I'm saying. It's nobody's peril but your own.
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: MOTH]
#4347297 - 06/28/05 03:48 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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EllemyshShade said: hehe, Ares I definitely don't think you're scum because you choose to shoplift. Everyone on this website is morally flexible in some way or another.
Ellemy you're always lookin out for me, haha And to tell yah the truth, I dont shop lift much anymore. i think i have everything i need right here, at the shroomery, and until those paints run out, IM SET!
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Adamist
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
#4347299 - 06/28/05 03:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago) |
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Those paints are damn nice.
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