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 Adamist
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 Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes  [Re: vampirism]
#4343828 - 06/27/05 03:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Actually I could use some prescription drugs, but can't get them, because I'm poor and have no insurance.
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Madge the Smoking Vag
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343834 - 06/27/05 03:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If you got a job you could get insurance.
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goobler
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343835 - 06/27/05 03:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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you CHOOSE to be poor
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prefloppro
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343836 - 06/27/05 03:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
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Silversoul
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: vampirism]
#4343839 - 06/27/05 03:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Morrowind said:
actually, prices ARE often set arbitrarily. I've been watching a lot of places I visit and always stop buying things when they go up, say, 15 cents. A week later they're back down. Stores slowly bump up the prices to fucking over the consumer as much as possible, without losing business. Ok, it's not ENTIRELY arbitrary, but it's how a lot of business works. One common technique is to move into an area, offer prices competing places cannot match, and once they're bankrupt you raise your prices sky-high.
Any economics textbook will show you how that is not arbitrary at all. A store-owner may look at his supplies at the end of the month and notice that they are low(possibly due partially to theft), so he'll temporarily raise prices to hold him over until new shipments arrive. It's called supply and demand. The market is constantly giving signals which producers respond to in their prices. Theft is one of many market-distorting mechanisms.
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goobler
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343842 - 06/27/05 03:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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damn boy...they did teach you some big words at that there skool 
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Silversoul
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Noetical]
#4343851 - 06/27/05 03:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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noeticbuzz said:
stealing apples even now and then isn't going to affect prices
Depends how much and how often. This is the way many people justify such actions. Their actions alone don't have much effect, but the collective results of several others doing what they do does in fact have quite an effect on prices.
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Adamist
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: prefloppro]
#4343854 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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prefloppro said:
Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
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WoodsCall
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343857 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's not like you are a child anymore, you choose who you are and you choose poor so deal with the consequences (tho they aren't all 'bad'; I was mosdef very happy when I had so little)
So why don't you just get a job with one of the places you said you'd never steal from?
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SkorpivoMusterion
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343858 - 06/27/05 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I refuse to be programmed further (i.e. college) or get some sort of slave-wage career, I foresee myself to soon be falling into society's cracks and having to fend for my own survival, which means obtaining food, water, shelter, and clothing by any means necessary (i.e. stealing). And in case you didn't read the end of my post, I never intend on stealing from an individual, or an individual's business store. I am talking solely about corporate chains.
You do realize, somewhere deep down inside, that this is a cry for help, right?
Can you truly not look at the long-term consequences to see the detriment of such behavior?
But why bother with questions like this? If it feels good to believe that you are being nobler by submersing yourself in crime and poverty, then none of this will stop you.
More likely, you believe that you are nothing more than an impotent, faceless cog in a vast conspiracy of silence and oppression, a victim of government cover-ups and hidden agendas, of dark metallic disks under canvas in subterranean hangars. If that?s what makes you feel better about your failures and frustrations, then, hey ? asking questions like this won?t even slow you down.
But realize this: if your worldview requires all sorts of secret kingdoms, unknowable motives, and unseen forces moving behind the veil of normal human experience, then you have taken yourself from the realm of a free citizen responsible for his own destiny and that of his nation, to a frightened caveman quivering in fear of distant Thunder Gods: immobilized, helpless and in a state of abject surrender.
You have thrown away the hard work of millions and millions of your fellow human beings who have worked and studied their entire lives to raise you from those very depths.
Shame on you.
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prefloppro
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343859 - 06/27/05 03:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Then stop complaining about bieng poor.
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vampirism
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343864 - 06/27/05 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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In practice, that often does not happen. Are you trying to convince me that a store owner only raises prices to maintain his profit? Anyone in business would know you want to maximize profit to an extreme- the consumer is NOT a thought- the money a consumer can withhold in case of horrible prices is. So in short, businesses aim for one thing- the consumer's money.
In some cases, especially where the business has a limited monopoly or perhaps has arranged for a friendly oligopoly with competitors, consumers are REALLY getting railed, and for what? Demand disguises greed as something necessary.
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Adamist
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Silversoul]
#4343865 - 06/27/05 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'd rather steal apples than drive vehicles that harm the environment. I'd rather hurt consumer prices than hurt the earth. I hate money anyways. Why should I feel guilty about contributing a small part to driving prices upwards when there are far more important things being destroyed everyday?
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Madge the Smoking Vag
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343869 - 06/27/05 04:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Adamist said:
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prefloppro said:
Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
My town has a co-op natural food store, find one of those. I'm sure they're all over. They're all about anarcy.
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Yarry
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343875 - 06/27/05 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
Adamist said:
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prefloppro said:
Whose choice is it that your poor? Think about it, its you.
Beats throwing my life away to a 9 to 5 system of slave wage.
just so long as you know that you will never own anything nice. you might call me a materialist but im a realist. i know that if i want anything i have to work and get it. i think its downright fucked up that you wont work and expect us to pick up your slack.
i dont think theres anything that makes me more happy or proud then going out and getting something for myself or someone else that i legitimately worked my ass off for.
fuck stealing. you should be sterilized, or educated.
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Madge the Smoking Vag
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343879 - 06/27/05 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Because then you'd be a selfish prick? Come on, hippies are supposed to be empathetic.
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goobler
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Adamist]
#4343880 - 06/27/05 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I predict you are found in an ally in 7 years the stench of urine covering you and begging for change...
but I know you'll have a smile on your face because you didnt even bend one little bit.
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vampirism
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
#4343881 - 06/27/05 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you suggesting there are no such conspiracies at all and that every person is much more than a cog in the machine of society?
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faslimy
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
#4343884 - 06/27/05 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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no one in this thread has any idea about how money works
you would all probably laugh at a statement like this
'when you earn money you are actually creating debt for the economy'
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HELLA_TIGHT
Madge the Smoking Vag
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Re: Shoplifting from chain stores and victimless crimes [Re: Yarry]
#4343887 - 06/27/05 04:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Don't flame! You'll get this thread locked by the greens.
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