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Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable
    #4336238 - 06/25/05 04:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

http://www.arcticbeacon.com/articles/article/1518131/28031.htm

WTC Basement Blast And Injured Burn Victim Blows 'Official 9/11 Story' Sky High; Eye Witness Testimony Is Conclusive That North Tower Collapsed From Controlled Demolition

WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors. Also, two other men trapped and drowning in a basement elevator shaft, were also pulled to safety from underground explosion..
June 24, 2005

By Greg Szymanski

What happened to William Rodriguez the morning of 9/11 is a miracle. What happened to his story after-the-fact is a tragedy.

But with miracles and tragedies comes truth. And truth is exactly what Rodriguez brings to the whole mystery surrounding 9/11.

Declared a hero for saving numerous lives at Ground Zero, he was the janitor on duty the morning of 9/11 who heard and felt explosions rock the basement sub-levels of the north tower just seconds before the jetliner struck the top floors.

He not only claims he felt explosions coming from below the first sub-level while working in the basement, he says the walls were cracking around him and he pulled a man to safety by the name of Felipe David, who was severely burned from the basement explosions.

All these events occurred only seconds before and during the jetliner strike above. And through it all, he now asks a simple question everybody should be asking? How could a jetliner hit 90 floors above and burn a man?s arms and face to a crisp in the basement below within seconds of impact?

Rodriguez claims this was impossible and clearly demonstrates a controlled demolition brought down the WTC, saying "Let?s see them (the government) try to wiggle out of this one."

Well, they haven?t wiggled out of it because the government continues to act like Rodriguez doesn?t exist, basically ignoring his statements and the fact he rescued a man burnt and bleeding from the basement explosions.

His eye witness account, ignored by the media and the government, points the finger squarely on an official cover-up at the highest levels since the government contends the WTC fell only from burning jet fuel. And after listening to Rodriguez, it?s easy to see why the Bush administration wants him kept quiet.

Bush wants him quiet because Rodriguez?s account is ?proof positive? the WTC was brought down by a controlled demolition, not burning jet fuel. And Bush knows if he?s caught lying about this or caught in a cover-up, it?s just a matter of time before the whole house of cards comes tumbling down.

In fact, Rodriguez?s story is so damaging ? so damning ? it literally blows the lid off the government story, literally exposing the whole 9/11 investigation as a sham and a cover-up of the worst kind.

And it appears the cover-up also extends to the media.

NBC news knew about his story several years ago, even spending a full day at his house taping his comments. But when push came to shove, his story was never aired. Why?

His eyewitness account, backed up by at least 14 people at the scene with him, isn?t speculation or conjecture. It isn?t a story that takes a network out on a journalistic limb. It?s a story that can be backed up, a story that can be verified with hospital records and testimony from many others.

It?s a story about 14 people who felt and heard the same explosion and even saw Rodriguez, moments after the airplane hit, take David to safety, after he was burnt so bad from the basement explosion flesh was hanging from his face and both arms

So why didn?t NBC or any other major news outlets cover the story? They didn?t run it because it shot the government story to hell and back. They didn?t run it because "the powers that be" wouldn?t allow it.

Since 9/11, Rodriguez has stuck to his guns, never wavering from what he said from day one. Left homeless at times, warned to keep quiet and subtly harassed, he nevertheless has continued trying to tell get his message out in the face of a country not willing to listen.

Here is his story:

The Miracle

It?s a miracle Rodriguez, 44, who worked at the WTC for 20 years, is even alive. Usually arriving to work at 8:30am, the morning of 9/11 he reported 30 minutes late. If he?d arrived on time, it would have put him at the top floors just about the same time the jetliner hit the north tower.

"It was a miracle. If I arrived on time, like always, I?d probably be dead. I would have been up at the top floors like every morning," said Rodriguez about the quirk of fate that saved his life.

But since he was late, Rodriguez found himself checking into work in an office on sub-level 1 when the north tower was hit, seemingly out of harms way. However, the sound and concussion of a massive explosion in the sub-levels right below his feet changed that.

"When I heard the sound of the explosion, the floor beneath my feet vibrated, the walls started cracking and it everything started shaking," said Rodriguez, who was huddled together with at least 14 other people in the office.

Rodriguez said Anthony Saltamachia, supervisor for the American Maintenance Co., was one of the people in the room who stands ready to verify his story.

"Seconds after the first massive explosion below in the basement still rattled the floor, I hear another explosion from way above," said Rodriguez. "Although I was unaware at the time, this was the airplane hitting the tower, it occurred moments after the first explosion."

But before Rodriguez had time to think, co-worker Felipe David stormed into the basement office with severe burns on his face and arms, screaming for help and yelling "explosion! explosion! explosion!"

David had been in front of a nearby freight elevator on sub-level 1 about 400 feet from the office when fire burst out of the elevator shaft, causing his injuries.

"He was burned terribly," said Rodriguez. "The skin was hanging off his hands and arms. His injuries couldn?t have come from the airplane above, but only from a massive explosion below. I don?t care what the government says, what scientists say. I saw a man burned terribly from a fire that was caused from an explosion below.

"I know there were explosives placed below the trade center. I helped a man to safety who is living proof, living proof the government story is a lie and a cover-up.

"I have tried to tell my story to everybody, but nobody wants to listen. It is very strange what is going on here in supposedly the most democratic country in the world. In my home country of Puerto Rico and all the other Latin American countries, I have been allowed to tell my story uncensored. But here, I can?t even say a word."

After Rodriguez escorted David to safety outside the WTC, he returned to lead the others in the basement to safety as well. While there, he also helped two other men trapped and drowning in the basement elevator shaft, another result he says of the explosives placed below the tower.

In fact, after leading these men to safety, he even made another trip back into the north tower, against police orders, in order to rescue people from the top floors.

"I never could make it to the top, but I got up to the 33rd floor after getting some of my equipment and a face mask out of the janitor?s closet," said Rodriguez, adding he heard a series of small explosions going off between the 20th and 30th floors, unrelated to the airplane strike, while making his way through the stairwell to the top floors.

"Also, when I was on the 33rd floor, I heard strange sounds coming form the 34th floor, loud noises like someone moving and thumping heavy equipment and furniture. I knew this floor was empty and stripped due to construction work so I avoided it and continued to make my way up the stairs."

Rodriguez said he finally reached the 39th floor before being turned back by fire fighters and then, reluctantly, started his descent back down and his own flight to safety while, at the same time, hearing explosions coming from the South Tower.

The Tragedy

The concerted effort by the media and the government to silence Rodriguez is the tragedy behind this American hero?s story. And there is no question, Rodriguez is a "silent hero" for saving so many lives and for having the courage to continue telling his story against tremendous odds.

In an effort to open a fair and honest investigation as to why the WTC collapsed, Rodriguez has been ignored by government officials, the 9/11 Commission and the National Institute of Safety and Technology (NIST).

NIST, an independent investigative group funded by the government, put the finishing touches this week on its 2 year $35 million 9/11 investigation. This week Rodriguez made his final plea to have his story heard while testifying at the final public hearing held in New York.

" I disagree 100%with the government story," said Rodriguez. "I met with the 9/11 Commission behind closed doors and they essentially discounted everything I said regarding the use of explosives to bring down the north tower.

"And I contacted NIST previously four times without a response. Finally, this week I asked them before they came up with their conclusion that jet fuel brought down the towers, if they ever considered my statements or the statements of any of the other survivors who heard the explosions. They just stared at me with blank faces and didn?t have any answers.

"Also, The FBI never followed up on my claims or on the other part of my story when I told them before 9/11, I encountered one of the hijackers casing the north tower."

Besides the explosions, Rodriguez also has provided testimony to the 9/11 Commission that he stumbled across one of the supposed 19 Arab hijackers inside the WTC several months before 9/11

"I had just finished cleaning the bathroom and this guy asks me, 'Excuse me, how many public bathrooms are in this area?'" Rodriguez told the 9/11 Commission. "Coming from the school of the 1993 [Trade Center] bombing, I found it very strange. I didn't forget about it"

Rodriguez, claims he saw United Airlines Flight 175 hijacker Mohand Alshehri in June 2001, telling an FBI agent about the incident a month after the attacks. Never hearing back from the bureau, he later learned agents never followed up on the story.

"I'm very certain, I'll give it 90%" that Alshehri was casing the towers before the attacks," said Rodriguez.

Regarding the media?s apathetic approach to his story, Rodriguez said immediately after 9/11 some newspapers picked it up but his words were never taken seriously and quickly forgotten.

"During the 9/11 hearings, NBC brought a crew out to my house and spent a day taping my story but they never did air a word of it," said Rodriguez. "Since then, some reporters and commentators have subtly warned me to keep quiet, told me my life could be in jeopardy and warned me that I really didn?t understand who I was dealing with.

"I have been receiving this type of subtle harassment for years, but I keep telling everybody I can?t be intimidated because I am on a mission. Whenever someone asks why I keep talking or warns me that I could be killed, I just tell them I have nothing to lose.

"I tell them I lost 200 friends and I am their voice now. I tell them I will do everything in my power to find out the truth since I am living on borrowed time since I probably should be dead anyway."

Besides trying to tell his explosive story, Rodriguez has been active raising money for 9/11victims, being involved with charity groups that have raised more than $122 million. He says he has used over $60,000 of his own money, originally earmarked to buy a new house, in order to get at the truth behind 9/11.

Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC.

The case, filed last November in a Philadelphia federal district court, recently was moved to New York in a change of venue after a government?s motion to dismiss was overruled, allowing legal discovery to continue.

"Even if the case goes no farther, I feel we have scored a victory by winning this first battle," said Rodriguez. "At least the judge seems willing to listen which is a victory of sorts. However, I sincerely hope we can eventually take the case all the way to trial and reveal the truth to the American people about 9/11."

For more informative articles, go to www.arcticbeacon.com where kind donations are also accepted to keep the truth flowing in the wake of media apathy.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4336606 - 06/25/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

LOL...... is this a joke?

An initial wave of fire fueled by air currents and jet fuel would have raced down elevator shafts until it hit the lower levels and basement causing blowouts. After this initial wave gallons upon gallons of jet fuel would have poured down the shafts starting fires and possibly explosions.

Honestly, this is such a trash article that just takes advantage of a janitor who has no understanding of the physics involved in 9/11. Even if you did believe that explosives were planted in the tower, it collapsed from the top down. There would have been no purpose for explosives to have been in the basement and certainly no reason for them to have gone off right when the planes hit.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: d33p]
    #4336747 - 06/25/05 07:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

oh but didnt you know? its actually a vast conspiracy involving every level of government so they can take control of us and use our bodies as batteries :rolleyes:


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4336823 - 06/25/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sarcasm is so totally awesome, dude.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: d33p]
    #4336939 - 06/25/05 08:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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d33p said:
LOL...... is this a joke?

An initial wave of fire fueled by air currents and jet fuel would have raced down elevator shafts until it hit the lower levels and basement causing blowouts. After this initial wave gallons upon gallons of jet fuel would have poured down the shafts starting fires and possibly explosions.





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WTC janitor pulls burn victim to safety after basement explosion rocks north tower seconds before jetliner hit top floors.




Well I guess for now there is no real way to determine how accurate this is, but what the article is saying is that the explosion happened before the plane struck the tower. At any rate, generally a fuel fire will not get hot enough to melt steel, and as such I remain skeptical of the assumption that fuel fires must have been the initial cause of both the collapses. If you happen to have anything that explains how this would be possible (or even how some of the people stuck up there were somehow still able to stand in the holes on the side of the buildings to wave for help not far from where these fires were supposed to be hot enough to melt giant steel girders without their skin melting) then by all means please go ahead and post it.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4337053 - 06/25/05 09:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see how liquid fuel would exist after the initial explosion. Most of the fuel should have been used up upon impact.

Whats left may reach 3-4 floors directly under the impact....but to go all the way down to the bottom floors??????


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: niteowl]
    #4338721 - 06/26/05 10:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's what I was thinking. I can't imagine the fuel surviving for more than a second or two after the plane hit.

Also, he's saying the basement explosion happened before the plane hit. Although my mind wonders how he could have known when the plane hit since he was in the basement at the time.





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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4338723 - 06/26/05 10:46 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Check out these odd explosions in these pictures. Not to sure how jet fuel could cause this..

Check out the blast coming from the bottom of the building, while the top is still on fire


Check out the blast coming from beside the building, the tower hasn't collapsed yet.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: J4S0N]
    #4338835 - 06/26/05 12:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Was the janitor under the influence of hallucinogens at the time of the explosions?


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: niteowl]
    #4339167 - 06/26/05 02:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see how liquid fuel would exist after the initial explosion. Most of the fuel should have been used up upon impact.

Why would you know more about how jet fuel burns than the physicists who studied and analysed the attack? What properties of jet fuel lead you to believe that it would burn up immediately?

Now, it's obvious that no reasonable person would simply make an assumption about how the fuel would react. You've undoubtably looked up the combustion tempurature and various properties of jet fuel, and done all the calculations necessary to determine what would occur in that situation in order to reach that conclusion. Just out of curiosity, would you please show the math and research that you did?


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4339224 - 06/26/05 03:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

usefulidiot said:
Well I guess for now there is no real way to determine how accurate this is, but what the article is saying is that the explosion happened before the plane struck the tower. At any rate, generally a fuel fire will not get hot enough to melt steel, and as such I remain skeptical of the assumption that fuel fires must have been the initial cause of both the collapses. If you happen to have anything that explains how this would be possible (or even how some of the people stuck up there were somehow still able to stand in the holes on the side of the buildings to wave for help not far from where these fires were supposed to be hot enough to melt giant steel girders without their skin melting) then by all means please go ahead and post it.




Honestly with the crazy shit he had to be dealing with combined with being in the basement i don't trust his judgment to a few second as to when every thing was happening. And also again there is the very evident fact that there would have been no reason for explosives to go off in the basement especially at that time.

The part about melting steel has been addressed far to many times for this debate to reappear again. Just search if you wanna find out more. And although i'm not privy to all the minute details and physics it seems reasonable to me that bad fires could have reduced the structural integrity of the steel beams enough that at least one could have began to bend in turn placing even more weight on other beams causing more to bend eventually bringing the entire building down under its own massive weight. And of course maybe initial explosions and debris could have messed up a beam or two helping the type of collapse i described above.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: niteowl]
    #4339307 - 06/26/05 03:40 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

niteowl said:
I don't see how liquid fuel would exist after the initial explosion. Most of the fuel should have been used up upon impact.

Whats left may reach 3-4 floors directly under the impact....but to go all the way down to the bottom floors??????




Think about elevator shafts silly. The fuel would have easily poured down the shafts into the bottom floors and just the fire cloud itself from the initial explosion would have raced down the shafts as it fiended for oxygen.

And i really don't feel like giving a lesson on the properties of liquid jet fuel down so ill just try to make this simple. The planes were loaded with fuel because of the type of flight. To explode the jet fuel required a lot of oxygen. Another thing to be aware of is that liquids do not burn. Its the vapor from them that burns and to get the vapor to burn you need it in the right concentration relative to the oxygen in the air. An initial explosion combined with the wings being broken released a large vapor cloud into the area which accounted for the fire cloud at the crash.

However this would have eaten up all of the oxygen in the immediate area and the fire cloud would have spread rapidly throughout the affected floors of the building trying to get more oxygen. Even after this there still would have been an enormous amount of jet fuel since it couldn't all combust due to a lack of oxygen. So now we have what is called a pool fire of jet fuel where the vapors leaving the surface are the only particles burning. This does not occur rapidly and the fuel would begin to fall down the shafts and spread through the rest of that floor.

Do you even understand just how much fuel is actually in a jet with a transcontinental flight plan?


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: d33p]
    #4339383 - 06/26/05 04:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

if jet fuel poured ALL the way down to the basement of the
building...why don't any eye witness or official reports point
to this flood of jet fuel draining out throughout the building?

I'd like to see the information regarding this dude and the
14 eye-witnesses.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: afoaf]
    #4339469 - 06/26/05 05:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

There are reports of flaming air/fuel traveling down the elevator shafts in some cases, on 9-11. I believe that even made it into a documentary or two.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: usefulidiot]
    #4342288 - 06/27/05 10:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"Also seeking justice at the highest level, Rodriguez is the lead plaintiff in a federal RICO lawsuit filed against President Bush and others, alleging conspiracy to commit murder and other crimes in the deaths of more than 3,000 at the WTC."

Now that's good shit.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: Rose]
    #4342297 - 06/27/05 10:55 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I've never seen or heard this mentioned before.

It just seems strange the way the explanations
bounce around....jet fuel blew up externally,
jet fuel pooled on upper floors and caused fire
to burn out of control for hours and hours...now
the fuel is flooding the basement.

Jet fuel is like Lee Harvey


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: afoaf]
    #4342422 - 06/27/05 11:41 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I agree, pools of jet fuel sounds odd... and I don't know if I believe all that.

But, I am sure I have heard of air from the explosions traveled unobstructed down many elevators, and people near the shafts, were burned by the planes, even when they were well below the impact zone.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: afoaf]
    #4342433 - 06/27/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Though jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel, it does burn hot enough to drastically reduce its structural strength:

Jet fuel burns at 800? to 1500?F, not hot enough to melt steel (2750?F). However, experts agree that for the towers to collapse, their steel frames didn't need to melt, they just had to lose some of their structural strength--and that required exposure to much less heat. "I have never seen melted steel in a building fire," says retired New York deputy fire chief Vincent Dunn, author of The Collapse Of Burning Buildings: A Guide To Fireground Safety. "But I've seen a lot of twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. What happens is that the steel tries to expand at both ends, but when it can no longer expand, it sags and the surrounding concrete cracks."

"Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100?F," notes senior engineer Farid Alfawak-hiri of the American Institute of Steel Construction. "And at 1800? it is probably at less than 10 percent." NIST also believes that a great deal of the spray-on fireproofing insulation was likely knocked off the steel beams that were in the path of the crashing jets, leaving the metal more vulnerable to the heat.

But jet fuel wasn't the only thing burning, notes Forman Williams, a professor of engineering at the University of California, San Diego, and one of seven structural engineers and fire experts that PM consulted. He says that while the jet fuel was the catalyst for the WTC fires, the resulting inferno was intensified by the combustible material inside the buildings, including rugs, curtains, furniture and paper. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832?F.

"The jet fuel was the ignition source," Williams tells PM. "It burned for maybe 10 minutes, and [the towers] were still standing in 10 minutes. It was the rest of the stuff burning afterward that was responsible for the heat transfer that eventually brought them down."




Likewise, directly regarding the topic at hand:

Following up on a May 2002 preliminary report by the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), a major study will be released in spring 2005 by the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), a branch of the U.S. Department of Commerce. NIST shared its initial findings with PM and made its lead researcher available to our team of reporters.

The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel--and fiery destruction throughout the building. "It's very hard to document where the fuel went," says Forman Williams, a NIST adviser and a combustion expert, "but if it's atomized and combustible and gets to an ignition source, it'll go off."

Burning fuel traveling down the elevator shafts would have disrupted the elevator systems and caused extensive damage to the lobbies. NIST heard first-person testimony that "some elevators slammed right down" to the ground floor. "The doors cracked open on the lobby floor and flames came out and people died," says James Quintiere, an engineering professor at the University of Maryland and a NIST adviser. A similar observation was made in the French documentary "9/11," by Jules and Gedeon Naudet. As Jules Naudet entered the North Tower lobby, minutes after the first aircraft struck, he saw victims on fire, a scene he found too horrific to film.

This is all quoted from this article:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=1&c=y


For God's sake, we saw a plane hit each tower. As much as I dislike the U.S. government, I seriously doubt that there are enough coldhearted politicians - coldhearted enough to the point where they'll kill plenty of rich, white Americans (their constitutents)- for (insert yet unnamed motive here... oh wait, the Patriot Act, yeah...). Given the risks involved in such a conspiracy, I find it hard to believe that anyone would follow through with some crazily concoted scheme considering that journalists have uncovered many unsavoury conspiracies in the past. It'd be total political suicide.


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: mikeytwice]
    #4342731 - 06/27/05 01:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The motive was money. Just because we saw planes hit the towers doesn't mean Osama and his terrorists are the sole blame. Obviously the had help, if they even did it.

Lots of public officials were warned not to fly that day. People knew it was coming, but who did it is still up for debate in my opinion. I dont beleive it was 19 flight school drop outs with box cutters. The pentagon is the most heavily guarded building in the world.

There are lots of people in this world that only care about money. Its hard to accept but its true. Just look at how much money has been made since, and whos making it. How much of a deficit is being created since that day.

The only towers that collapsed that day were the ones owned by Larry Silverstein. They all fell the same way, and Larry himself even admitted in the PBS documentary that he decided to 'pull' tower 7 because there were two small fires...

Such bullshit, the official story just doesn't make sense


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Re: Just one more report contradicting official 9/11 fable [Re: afoaf]
    #4342864 - 06/27/05 02:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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afoaf said:
I've never seen or heard this mentioned before.

It just seems strange the way the explanations
bounce around....jet fuel blew up externally,
jet fuel pooled on upper floors and caused fire
to burn out of control for hours and hours...now
the fuel is flooding the basement.

Jet fuel is like Lee Harvey




There was a lot of jet fuel, so much so that an initial explosion could not have used all of it in that area due to a lack of oxygen. A "pool fire" is just a term used when describing burning liquids. If you poured a shot glass of gasoline on the floor and lit it, it would be called a pool fire. And when did i say the basement was flooded with jet fuel? Seriously, that is the most blatant example of either you being dishonest or your own mind changing what you read as to make a logical reasoning that goes against your beliefs seem illogical. Remember words have meanings.


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