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OfflineCaptain Loafy McPoopdick
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When people say
    #4334232 - 06/24/05 10:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

the government can't make money from marijuana, what does that mean? Don't you think that they could sell them like cigs.? I know if they did that they would load all of these chemicals in them, but I think that they CAN make money if they wanted.
I wonder if the reason the laws are so messed up is because that they update some laws, don't update a lot of laws, and just forget about some laws. Then changing one law would mean they have to change another so that one law doesn't contradict itself. Hmm, bear with me here. I don't really know what i'm talking about.


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4334244 - 06/24/05 10:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

:shrug:

I dont think that the law will be changed anytime soon...


Edited by x_TYLER_x (06/24/05 10:27 PM)


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Re: When people say [Re: TYL3R]
    #4334282 - 06/24/05 10:28 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think it will. Slowly but surely. I have a few friends who medical marijuana 'licences' to grow up to 7 plants at a time. This is a baby step to some major changes in pot law.


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Re: When people say [Re: CherryBom]
    #4334293 - 06/24/05 10:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Slowly, indeedy.

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Re: When people say [Re: CherryBom]
    #4334295 - 06/24/05 10:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You do realize medical marijuana has been now removed from protection of federal prosecution in all 11( or is it 14) states where previously they were ignored? That is HUGE.


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Re: When people say [Re: flowstone]
    #4334299 - 06/24/05 10:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That was a very sad set back. I was pissed when I read that even though I don't live in one of these states or have any illnesses.


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Re: When people say [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4334512 - 06/24/05 11:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

it isn't nearly as big of a problem as you think (ashcroft vs raich)


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Re: When people say [Re: lardnar]
    #4334515 - 06/24/05 11:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

yes, but in europe there are many countries/counties/cities that are moving towards decriminalization. it's just too much time for the cops to spend, and makes no sense. hopefully the rest of the world will slowly come to their senses...


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Re: When people say [Re: Krishna]
    #4334610 - 06/25/05 12:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Despite what people may think of how great it would be to have weed legalized, do you really think it would be good for the world? I mean yea it's only weed, but still, people WILL ruin it and the crime rate might actually go up


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4334707 - 06/25/05 12:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The short answer to your question is, of course the government could make money taxing mj. The reality is that the money spent fighting the industry and money acquired from people who are found to be criminals is far greater than any taxation revenues.


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Re: When people say [Re: flowstone]
    #4334855 - 06/25/05 01:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Med mariijuana was never under protection from federal prosection. That outcome of that case only means that nothing has changed. We've had periodical raids here in Cali since 96 when it all started. The thing is this movement is still gaining momentum, and having 11 states where the will of the voters is to allow it, means the feds would have a hell of a time reversing the progress that has already been made. If they went in and shut down all the medical marijuana operations in all 11 states, there'd be way too much public outcry over the feds trampling on states rights, and thats civil war territory, and i'd be one of the first to grab a bayonet


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Re: When people say [Re: TYL3R]
    #4334915 - 06/25/05 01:58 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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x_TYLER_x said:
:shrug:

I dont think that the law will be changed anytime soon...




Look at the penalties for possession of weed 30 years ago vs what they are today (at least in the US).  Slowly but surely there will be no penalty for growing/distributing just as there really is no penalty for posession (up to an ounce or so).  "The times, they are a changin'..."


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Re: When people say [Re: nitroguy]
    #4335135 - 06/25/05 04:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Regarding the first post where you refer to the government not being able to make money...

This is due to weed being readily available on the black market, so if it were legalised and sold in shops you would no doubt be best buying it illegally as it would be cheaper.

This is due to taxation charges that the shops would charge

Hope this makes sense...  :smirk:

Edit: For example you cant (not worthwhile) make your own alcohol and sell it for a cheaper amount per pint on a street corner, yet with weed its different


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335163 - 06/25/05 05:16 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Why do you think crime would go up, in places where it has be decriminalized it has they have not seen in substantial increase in crime. In places in the U.S. they are giving people free needles and syringes to try and curb the aids epeidemic, opponents of this in the beginning said all this will do is increase the amount of people shooting up, but so far this has not been shown to be the case. Where do you come up with the idea that it will increase crime.


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335172 - 06/25/05 05:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah there would be some negative effects of legalizing weed, but I really don't see how a rise in the crime rate would be one of them :wtf:


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335192 - 06/25/05 05:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Marijuana really wouldn't make the government money. Legalizing marijuana would help bring about a change in the public consciousness that would not be advantageous to the government.

In other words, keeping our minds locked in a box is far more valuable than the tax money they'd get from legal weed. Not only that, throwing users and dealers in jail/prison is a lucrative business unto itself.






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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335195 - 06/25/05 05:53 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How is throwing them in jail and having the tax payers pay for them to be housed and fed a lucrative business??


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335220 - 06/25/05 06:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The service that the DEA, police, prosecutors, jails/prisons etc. provide to the public is the illusion of $afety. You continue to allow your tax dollars to line their pockets because otherwise your little daughter Suzy will try weed and then naturally heroin which will have her turning tricks for a fix. It's a business like any other and a very lucrative one at that.







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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335245 - 06/25/05 06:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not completely so man, if weed was legal we would still have cops, prisons, yadda yadda yadda. Sure there would be far less people in jail for minor drug offenses, but by far would not get rid of jails, police, DEA, judicial systems. Sure minor drug offenders clog the system and we spend money on it. But legalising weed is not going to get rid of things you list.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335256 - 06/25/05 06:58 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Not completely so man, if weed was legal we would still have cops, prisons, yadda yadda yadda. Sure there would be far less people in jail for minor drug offenses, but by far would not get rid of jails, police, DEA, judicial systems. Sure minor drug offenders clog the system and we spend money on it. But legalizing weed is not going to get rid of things you list.




Locking up pot smokers is the drug warriors bread and butter. It would be devastating to their business if pot was legal.





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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335259 - 06/25/05 07:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

sure for this cabinet and president it is, not all of the administrations who have come and gone have been as detrimental as this one.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335276 - 06/25/05 07:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I know im on probation for 2 years and i gotta pay 50 bucks a month for that whole to years for probation fees i got random drug tests that cost money and 800 dollar fine for actually having the weed and i gotta take an 80 dollar course on drugs and shit they make more money off of you bustin u why would they make it legal? people would grow it anyway...the government is just fucked up like that ..hypocritical fascists!!!!


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Re: When people say [Re: camelsmoker]
    #4335280 - 06/25/05 07:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How much did you get busted for, thats a really harsh punishment if it was for under an ounce.


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Re: When people say [Re: camelsmoker]
    #4335294 - 06/25/05 07:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
sure for this cabinet and president it is, not all of the administrations who have come and gone have been as detrimental as this one.




Untrue.  Clinton's administration busted more pot smokers than any administration before.  Busting pot smokers is big business for both Republicans AND Democrats.


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I know I'm on probation for 2 years and i gotta pay 50 bucks a month for that whole to years for probation fees i got random drug tests that cost money and 800 dollar fine for actually having the weed and i gotta take an 80 dollar course on drugs and shit they make more money off of you busting u why would they make it legal?  people would grow it anyway...the government is just fucked up like that ..hypocritical fascists!!!!




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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335296 - 06/25/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Another reason it would be difficult to tax merijuana in a way thats similar to tobacco is that tobacco is a plant and much more difficult to grow than growing pot which is a weed. If you say that you cant grow it only buy it from the government...a lot more people would become botonists


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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335307 - 06/25/05 07:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have any ifno to back that claim up??

And pee pee, too grow GOOD marijuana you cant just throw it in the ground and be like BLADOW i got me some dank. And i think most people prefer to smoke good weed as compared to shit weed. And i have grown tobacco, it's not that hard.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335317 - 06/25/05 08:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Given the choice between paying exhorbitant prices for highly taxed quality bud or growing my own plants outdoors, I would grow my own in a heartbeat. Cannabis is not a hard plant to grow outdoors. Trying to grow indoors with all the lights, ventilation, secrecy, etc. can be very difficult, but in the wild, cannabis practically grows itself.

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Re: When people say [Re: harpd]
    #4335323 - 06/25/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But my point is that to grow REALLY good weed you cant just throw it in the ground and expect it to grow. Do some research, to grow quality bus outdoors you should be making raised beds for better drainage, you have to get them a good source of water that you can direct to your crop, to get the best you also will need to be adding additional nutrients throughout their lifecycle. Sure you can throw some seeds out and get pot. But dont expect to get nice yields and decent pot.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335374 - 06/25/05 08:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you have any info to back that claim up??




Yep. Drug war facts. Looks like Bush is topping Clinton, though. But look at the Reagan years as opposed to Clinton. Slick Willy put a crazy amount of smokers behind bars as you can see.



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And pee pee, too grow GOOD marijuana you cant just throw it in the ground and be like BLADOW i got me some dank.




Yes you can. I've grown weed once. I used shwag seeds and grew DANK weed. Now maybe your standards are extremely high, but the quality of that weed was excellent, IMO. All pot is basically dank. It becomes shwag or middies because of poor handling.







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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335407 - 06/25/05 08:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You really haven't tried enough genetics if you think all weed is dank, i have seen weed that no matter how you tried to grow, DWC, Ebb and Flow, Dirt, Outdoor raised beds, outdoor pots, different brands of nutrients, they all turned out poorly. When growing weed if you have poor genetics you will grow poor pot. Yes handling does become a factor. You still haven't posted any statistics or links to statistics that say clinton was the highest so far. And considering that the population is ever increasing, that is kind of to be expected with each new administration.

What you have to look at is how and who the administrations are focusing their attention on. The current is not only cracking down on the large manufacturers, but the common pothead as well. I have seen no reports on the clinton appointed drug czar attacking head shops and specifically targeting medical marijuana patients that are growing. Which our more recently appointed drug czars have been doing.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335431 - 06/25/05 09:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You really haven't tried enough genetics if you think all weed is dank, i have seen weed that no matter how you tried to grow, DWC, Ebb and Flow, Dirt, Outdoor raised beds, outdoor pots, different brands of nutrients, they all turned out poorly. When growing weed if you have poor genetics you will grow poor pot. Yes handling does become a factor.




You just have high standards. Compared to shwag, every plant that is grown and taken care of is "dank".


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You still haven't posted any statistics or links to statistics that say clinton was the highest so far. And considering that the population is ever increasing, that is kind of to be expected with each new administration.

What you have to look at is how and who the administrations are focusing their attention on. The current is not only cracking down on the large manufacturers, but the common pothead as well. I have seen no reports on the clinton appointed drug czar attacking head shops and specifically targeting medical marijuana patients that are growing. Which our more recently appointed drug czars have been doing.




I just posted the link showing that the amount of arrests went up after Clinton was in office. With each President the number increases and not just because of population growth. All I'm saying is that it's not just Republicans who are tough on smokers. It's a lucrative government business in general. If Bush is harsher, it isn't by much.





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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335485 - 06/25/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, that site gives no fair comparison. It does not state specific plans from different administrations. The jump from 90-95 cant be used as an accurate projection because it covers more than one administration, AND is a 5 year span. You still have not given any information pointing to that the Clinton administration deliberately focused their attention to pot smokers.

And no, my standard isn't that high, you just haven't seen enough genetics and tried to grow them. Dank pot needs good aroma, good stone, smooth smoke(which is from proper curing) and not necessary, but should be somewhat dense. Mainly aroma and strength. But thats personal opinion.


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Re: When people say [Re: mikeyboy]
    #4335539 - 06/25/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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This is due to weed being readily available on the black market, so if it were legalised and sold in shops you would no doubt be best buying it illegally as it would be cheaper.




Why would black market weed be cheaper than store bought weed?
Street weed is worth its weight in GOLD.
This is a PLANT that costs very little to grow.

Legal weed would be TONS cheaper than blackmarket weed.

Are you saying that growing your own weed would cost more than buying it from a dealer?

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This is due to taxation charges that the shops would charge




To think that blackmarket weed is not taxed is foolish. Everyone who handles it is risking prison, so they have to be paid well in order to sell it.


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    #4335945 - 06/25/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

haha

just makes me think of middle men

"yeah, ill hook you up." =] Im just going to add 5$ to that


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    #4335990 - 06/25/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You're right, democrats or republicans don't matter. Each administration will jail more people than the previous one, each one will spend more money on the War on Drugs than the previous one. Up to a certain point, of course; the collapse of civilization, the end of the world, the removal of the democratic process...


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Re: When people say [Re: Ravus]
    #4338156 - 06/26/05 12:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But he was inferring that the clinton administration was specifically trying to increase their efforts in the war on drugs. But was unable to substantiate this with any type of proof.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4338664 - 06/26/05 07:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You still have not given any information pointing to that the Clinton administration deliberately focused their attention to pot smokers.




I didn't say they were deliberately focusing their attention on pot smokers any more than the previous administrations, only that the Clinton White House had arrested more people for pot than anyone before, which is true.






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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4338853 - 06/26/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

When you said that Clinton's administration arrested more people, it sounds like your saying that they had something to do with the number of arrests, when they clearly didn't.

Each year there are more and more people being arrested for drug use.......that statistic has nothing to do with who is sitting in the Oval Office at the time.......so your statement that "more people were arrested for pot under Clinton" is irrelevant.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4338957 - 06/26/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly, Your taking your statement out of context leary.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4339025 - 06/26/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm confused now. Anyway, more pot smokers were arrested under Clinton than under GHW Bush or Reagan.





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    #4339382 - 06/26/05 02:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Saying that you arrested more people than the last guy is just political chest thumping. They all try to one-up each other in one way or the other.


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    #4340772 - 06/26/05 10:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That's exactly what you said earlier, and by saying it in that way your insinuating that the Clinton administration were consciously targeting potheads. Which is untrue. Of course there are going to be more and more arrests on drug users. The population is increasing.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4340903 - 06/26/05 11:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

That applies to most administrations then. I don't see the Bush administration "intentionally" targetting potheads anymore than the Clinton administration, but since the arrests are going on under their leadership we use them for reference.


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Re: When people say [Re: Ravus]
    #4340908 - 06/26/05 11:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Not true, the bush appointed drug czar has been delibratley targetting headshops and medical marijuana patients for prosecution.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4342253 - 06/27/05 08:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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That's exactly what you said earlier, and by saying it in that way your insinuating that the Clinton administration were consciously targeting potheads. Which is untrue. Of course there are going to be more and more arrests on drug users. The population is increasing.





Im not saying that Clinton target anyone, just that he used the numbers to appear tougher/better than the last president. He didnt have to do anything different than the last guy he just presented the numbers in a way that was favorable to him.

It is the same thing that every other president has done.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4368901 - 07/04/05 08:04 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

In what way did he manipulate them to appear like he was being tougher?? I have never seen one news article following the clinton administration saying anything to that effect whatsoever. Where did he use these numbers to make this claim??


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4369387 - 07/04/05 12:13 PM (18 years, 6 months ago)

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In what way did he manipulate them to appear like he was being tougher??





I never said that Clinton manipulated the numbers.

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niteowl said:
When you said that Clinton's administration arrested more people, it sounds like your saying that they had something to do with the number of arrests, when they clearly didn't.

Each year there are more and more people being arrested for drug use.......that statistic has nothing to do with who is sitting in the Oval Office at the time.......so your statement that "more people were arrested for pot under Clinton" is irrelevant.




Just that the drug war people say that "Clinton arrested more pot users than the last president."
This is a fact, but had NOTHING to do with the Clinton administration being tougher on drugs that Bush Sr.

Arrests have gone up each year, regardless of what president was in office.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4386129 - 07/09/05 05:07 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

Im not saying that Clinton target anyone, just that he used the numbers to appear tougher/better than the last president. He didnt have to do anything different than the last guy he just presented the numbers in a way that was favorable to him.

It is the same thing that every other president has done.





Okay, so then how, AND where are you getting information that he was using those numers to APPEAR tougher. He definatley did nothing of the sort.


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    #4386337 - 07/09/05 09:02 AM (18 years, 6 months ago)

I was watching some news program during the election and someone was campaigning for Clinton. I don't remember the guys name, who was speaking for  the Clinton camp. He was a little, young guy with glasses :shrug:
The discussion got around to the Drug War. Clinton's spokesperson pointed to the "fact" that there were x number more arrests during the Clinton presidency than during Bushes presidency. Then quickly changed the subject to the economy.

Every president, has tried to make himself look better than the other guy, by any means possible. If they get questioned on the "War on Drugs" they will regurgitate numbers to make them look better

This is just a fact of the political world. Not saying nothing bad about Clinton, we were born in the same town.


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