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Offlinehawksapprentice
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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335259 - 06/25/05 07:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

sure for this cabinet and president it is, not all of the administrations who have come and gone have been as detrimental as this one.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335276 - 06/25/05 07:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I know im on probation for 2 years and i gotta pay 50 bucks a month for that whole to years for probation fees i got random drug tests that cost money and 800 dollar fine for actually having the weed and i gotta take an 80 dollar course on drugs and shit they make more money off of you bustin u why would they make it legal? people would grow it anyway...the government is just fucked up like that ..hypocritical fascists!!!!


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Re: When people say [Re: camelsmoker]
    #4335280 - 06/25/05 07:23 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

How much did you get busted for, thats a really harsh punishment if it was for under an ounce.


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Re: When people say [Re: camelsmoker]
    #4335294 - 06/25/05 07:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
sure for this cabinet and president it is, not all of the administrations who have come and gone have been as detrimental as this one.




Untrue.  Clinton's administration busted more pot smokers than any administration before.  Busting pot smokers is big business for both Republicans AND Democrats.


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I know I'm on probation for 2 years and i gotta pay 50 bucks a month for that whole to years for probation fees i got random drug tests that cost money and 800 dollar fine for actually having the weed and i gotta take an 80 dollar course on drugs and shit they make more money off of you busting u why would they make it legal?  people would grow it anyway...the government is just fucked up like that ..hypocritical fascists!!!!




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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335296 - 06/25/05 07:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Another reason it would be difficult to tax merijuana in a way thats similar to tobacco is that tobacco is a plant and much more difficult to grow than growing pot which is a weed. If you say that you cant grow it only buy it from the government...a lot more people would become botonists


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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335307 - 06/25/05 07:50 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Do you have any ifno to back that claim up??

And pee pee, too grow GOOD marijuana you cant just throw it in the ground and be like BLADOW i got me some dank. And i think most people prefer to smoke good weed as compared to shit weed. And i have grown tobacco, it's not that hard.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335317 - 06/25/05 08:01 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Given the choice between paying exhorbitant prices for highly taxed quality bud or growing my own plants outdoors, I would grow my own in a heartbeat. Cannabis is not a hard plant to grow outdoors. Trying to grow indoors with all the lights, ventilation, secrecy, etc. can be very difficult, but in the wild, cannabis practically grows itself.

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Re: When people say [Re: harpd]
    #4335323 - 06/25/05 08:06 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But my point is that to grow REALLY good weed you cant just throw it in the ground and expect it to grow. Do some research, to grow quality bus outdoors you should be making raised beds for better drainage, you have to get them a good source of water that you can direct to your crop, to get the best you also will need to be adding additional nutrients throughout their lifecycle. Sure you can throw some seeds out and get pot. But dont expect to get nice yields and decent pot.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335374 - 06/25/05 08:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Do you have any info to back that claim up??




Yep. Drug war facts. Looks like Bush is topping Clinton, though. But look at the Reagan years as opposed to Clinton. Slick Willy put a crazy amount of smokers behind bars as you can see.



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And pee pee, too grow GOOD marijuana you cant just throw it in the ground and be like BLADOW i got me some dank.




Yes you can. I've grown weed once. I used shwag seeds and grew DANK weed. Now maybe your standards are extremely high, but the quality of that weed was excellent, IMO. All pot is basically dank. It becomes shwag or middies because of poor handling.







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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335407 - 06/25/05 08:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You really haven't tried enough genetics if you think all weed is dank, i have seen weed that no matter how you tried to grow, DWC, Ebb and Flow, Dirt, Outdoor raised beds, outdoor pots, different brands of nutrients, they all turned out poorly. When growing weed if you have poor genetics you will grow poor pot. Yes handling does become a factor. You still haven't posted any statistics or links to statistics that say clinton was the highest so far. And considering that the population is ever increasing, that is kind of to be expected with each new administration.

What you have to look at is how and who the administrations are focusing their attention on. The current is not only cracking down on the large manufacturers, but the common pothead as well. I have seen no reports on the clinton appointed drug czar attacking head shops and specifically targeting medical marijuana patients that are growing. Which our more recently appointed drug czars have been doing.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335431 - 06/25/05 09:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You really haven't tried enough genetics if you think all weed is dank, i have seen weed that no matter how you tried to grow, DWC, Ebb and Flow, Dirt, Outdoor raised beds, outdoor pots, different brands of nutrients, they all turned out poorly. When growing weed if you have poor genetics you will grow poor pot. Yes handling does become a factor.




You just have high standards. Compared to shwag, every plant that is grown and taken care of is "dank".


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You still haven't posted any statistics or links to statistics that say clinton was the highest so far. And considering that the population is ever increasing, that is kind of to be expected with each new administration.

What you have to look at is how and who the administrations are focusing their attention on. The current is not only cracking down on the large manufacturers, but the common pothead as well. I have seen no reports on the clinton appointed drug czar attacking head shops and specifically targeting medical marijuana patients that are growing. Which our more recently appointed drug czars have been doing.




I just posted the link showing that the amount of arrests went up after Clinton was in office. With each President the number increases and not just because of population growth. All I'm saying is that it's not just Republicans who are tough on smokers. It's a lucrative government business in general. If Bush is harsher, it isn't by much.





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Edited by Learyfan (06/25/05 09:20 AM)


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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335485 - 06/25/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Dude, that site gives no fair comparison. It does not state specific plans from different administrations. The jump from 90-95 cant be used as an accurate projection because it covers more than one administration, AND is a 5 year span. You still have not given any information pointing to that the Clinton administration deliberately focused their attention to pot smokers.

And no, my standard isn't that high, you just haven't seen enough genetics and tried to grow them. Dank pot needs good aroma, good stone, smooth smoke(which is from proper curing) and not necessary, but should be somewhat dense. Mainly aroma and strength. But thats personal opinion.


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Re: When people say [Re: mikeyboy]
    #4335539 - 06/25/05 10:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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This is due to weed being readily available on the black market, so if it were legalised and sold in shops you would no doubt be best buying it illegally as it would be cheaper.




Why would black market weed be cheaper than store bought weed?
Street weed is worth its weight in GOLD.
This is a PLANT that costs very little to grow.

Legal weed would be TONS cheaper than blackmarket weed.

Are you saying that growing your own weed would cost more than buying it from a dealer?

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This is due to taxation charges that the shops would charge




To think that blackmarket weed is not taxed is foolish. Everyone who handles it is risking prison, so they have to be paid well in order to sell it.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4335945 - 06/25/05 12:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

haha

just makes me think of middle men

"yeah, ill hook you up." =] Im just going to add 5$ to that


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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335990 - 06/25/05 01:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You're right, democrats or republicans don't matter. Each administration will jail more people than the previous one, each one will spend more money on the War on Drugs than the previous one. Up to a certain point, of course; the collapse of civilization, the end of the world, the removal of the democratic process...


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Re: When people say [Re: Ravus]
    #4338156 - 06/26/05 12:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

But he was inferring that the clinton administration was specifically trying to increase their efforts in the war on drugs. But was unable to substantiate this with any type of proof.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4338664 - 06/26/05 07:32 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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You still have not given any information pointing to that the Clinton administration deliberately focused their attention to pot smokers.




I didn't say they were deliberately focusing their attention on pot smokers any more than the previous administrations, only that the Clinton White House had arrested more people for pot than anyone before, which is true.






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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4338853 - 06/26/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

When you said that Clinton's administration arrested more people, it sounds like your saying that they had something to do with the number of arrests, when they clearly didn't.

Each year there are more and more people being arrested for drug use.......that statistic has nothing to do with who is sitting in the Oval Office at the time.......so your statement that "more people were arrested for pot under Clinton" is irrelevant.


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Re: When people say [Re: niteowl]
    #4338957 - 06/26/05 11:04 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Exactly, Your taking your statement out of context leary.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4339025 - 06/26/05 11:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm confused now. Anyway, more pot smokers were arrested under Clinton than under GHW Bush or Reagan.





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