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OfflineCaptain Loafy McPoopdick
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When people say
    #4334232 - 06/25/05 12:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the government can't make money from marijuana, what does that mean? Don't you think that they could sell them like cigs.? I know if they did that they would load all of these chemicals in them, but I think that they CAN make money if they wanted.
I wonder if the reason the laws are so messed up is because that they update some laws, don't update a lot of laws, and just forget about some laws. Then changing one law would mean they have to change another so that one law doesn't contradict itself. Hmm, bear with me here. I don't really know what i'm talking about.


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4334244 - 06/25/05 12:19 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:shrug:

I dont think that the law will be changed anytime soon...


Edited by x_TYLER_x (06/25/05 12:27 AM)


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Re: When people say [Re: TYL3R]
    #4334282 - 06/25/05 12:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think it will. Slowly but surely. I have a few friends who medical marijuana 'licences' to grow up to 7 plants at a time. This is a baby step to some major changes in pot law.


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Re: When people say [Re: CherryBom]
    #4334293 - 06/25/05 12:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Slowly, indeedy.

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Re: When people say [Re: CherryBom]
    #4334295 - 06/25/05 12:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You do realize medical marijuana has been now removed from protection of federal prosecution in all 11( or is it 14) states where previously they were ignored? That is HUGE.


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Re: When people say [Re: flowstone]
    #4334299 - 06/25/05 12:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

That was a very sad set back. I was pissed when I read that even though I don't live in one of these states or have any illnesses.


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Re: When people say [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4334512 - 06/25/05 01:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

it isn't nearly as big of a problem as you think (ashcroft vs raich)


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Re: When people say [Re: lardnar]
    #4334515 - 06/25/05 01:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

yes, but in europe there are many countries/counties/cities that are moving towards decriminalization. it's just too much time for the cops to spend, and makes no sense. hopefully the rest of the world will slowly come to their senses...


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Re: When people say [Re: Krishna]
    #4334610 - 06/25/05 02:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Despite what people may think of how great it would be to have weed legalized, do you really think it would be good for the world? I mean yea it's only weed, but still, people WILL ruin it and the crime rate might actually go up


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4334707 - 06/25/05 02:34 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The short answer to your question is, of course the government could make money taxing mj. The reality is that the money spent fighting the industry and money acquired from people who are found to be criminals is far greater than any taxation revenues.


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Re: When people say [Re: flowstone]
    #4334855 - 06/25/05 03:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Med mariijuana was never under protection from federal prosection. That outcome of that case only means that nothing has changed. We've had periodical raids here in Cali since 96 when it all started. The thing is this movement is still gaining momentum, and having 11 states where the will of the voters is to allow it, means the feds would have a hell of a time reversing the progress that has already been made. If they went in and shut down all the medical marijuana operations in all 11 states, there'd be way too much public outcry over the feds trampling on states rights, and thats civil war territory, and i'd be one of the first to grab a bayonet


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Re: When people say [Re: TYL3R]
    #4334915 - 06/25/05 03:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

x_TYLER_x said:
:shrug:

I dont think that the law will be changed anytime soon...




Look at the penalties for possession of weed 30 years ago vs what they are today (at least in the US).  Slowly but surely there will be no penalty for growing/distributing just as there really is no penalty for posession (up to an ounce or so).  "The times, they are a changin'..."


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Re: When people say [Re: nitroguy]
    #4335135 - 06/25/05 06:31 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Regarding the first post where you refer to the government not being able to make money...

This is due to weed being readily available on the black market, so if it were legalised and sold in shops you would no doubt be best buying it illegally as it would be cheaper.

This is due to taxation charges that the shops would charge

Hope this makes sense...  :smirk:

Edit: For example you cant (not worthwhile) make your own alcohol and sell it for a cheaper amount per pint on a street corner, yet with weed its different


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335163 - 06/25/05 07:16 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why do you think crime would go up, in places where it has be decriminalized it has they have not seen in substantial increase in crime. In places in the U.S. they are giving people free needles and syringes to try and curb the aids epeidemic, opponents of this in the beginning said all this will do is increase the amount of people shooting up, but so far this has not been shown to be the case. Where do you come up with the idea that it will increase crime.


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335172 - 06/25/05 07:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah there would be some negative effects of legalizing weed, but I really don't see how a rise in the crime rate would be one of them :wtf:


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Re: When people say [Re: Captain Loafy McPoopdick]
    #4335192 - 06/25/05 07:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Marijuana really wouldn't make the government money. Legalizing marijuana would help bring about a change in the public consciousness that would not be advantageous to the government.

In other words, keeping our minds locked in a box is far more valuable than the tax money they'd get from legal weed. Not only that, throwing users and dealers in jail/prison is a lucrative business unto itself.






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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335195 - 06/25/05 07:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How is throwing them in jail and having the tax payers pay for them to be housed and fed a lucrative business??


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335220 - 06/25/05 08:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The service that the DEA, police, prosecutors, jails/prisons etc. provide to the public is the illusion of $afety. You continue to allow your tax dollars to line their pockets because otherwise your little daughter Suzy will try weed and then naturally heroin which will have her turning tricks for a fix. It's a business like any other and a very lucrative one at that.







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Re: When people say [Re: Learyfan]
    #4335245 - 06/25/05 08:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Not completely so man, if weed was legal we would still have cops, prisons, yadda yadda yadda. Sure there would be far less people in jail for minor drug offenses, but by far would not get rid of jails, police, DEA, judicial systems. Sure minor drug offenders clog the system and we spend money on it. But legalising weed is not going to get rid of things you list.


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Re: When people say [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4335256 - 06/25/05 08:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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hawksapprentice said:
Not completely so man, if weed was legal we would still have cops, prisons, yadda yadda yadda. Sure there would be far less people in jail for minor drug offenses, but by far would not get rid of jails, police, DEA, judicial systems. Sure minor drug offenders clog the system and we spend money on it. But legalizing weed is not going to get rid of things you list.




Locking up pot smokers is the drug warriors bread and butter. It would be devastating to their business if pot was legal.





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