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wanting to gouge out someones eye(s) then skull-fuck 'em.
    #4331986 - 06/24/05 12:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Is this love? 

No?

i think that wanting "sometimes" to smash someones face against the curb, means you care for them...cuz aren't brutal acts of inflicting pain AND incredible love making derived from the same emotion? it's just the flip side of passion.

crime of passion/passionate sex

if you never feel like you just want to hold someone down and knock em the fuck out... you must not have very deep feelings for them..??????????????? :confused:


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4332076 - 06/24/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I believe they are derived from the same energy that pervades the universe. One is expansive, flowing, inclusive. One is contracting, stagnant, lacking. Same energy, different experience. I believe myself that being in the flow state feels good on a continual basis, where as the contracted state does not.

I think this feeling of wanting to strike out at someone may be a vain attempt to move energy that one has blocked up inside oneself from fear, usually from having essential needs for growth unmet in childhood.

This is just a guess on my part, based on my own experiences and some observation of people I have known or read about.  :mushroom2: :heart:

Good question! I hope others have thoughts on this one.


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: Icelander]
    #4332324 - 06/24/05 02:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)


"I think this feeling of wanting to strike out at someone may be a vain attempt to move energy that one has blocked up inside oneself from fear, usually from having essential needs for growth unmet in childhood."

and for passionate love?
how can one "move energy"?
how does fear create energy?
so being neglected creates fear, which creates "energy" that cannot be moved?

PLEASE EXPLAIN...?


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4332370 - 06/24/05 02:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

the correct procedure is to gouge only one eye out so the other can watch you do it.

Seriously.. a bit odd. Or should I say otd?


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: Asante]
    #4332375 - 06/24/05 02:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Seriously.. a bit odd. Or should I say otd?




No, you shouldn't. He poses a genuine spiritual and philosophic topic for discussion.

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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4332490 - 06/24/05 02:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

uriahchase said:

"I think this feeling of wanting to strike out at someone may be a vain attempt to move energy that one has blocked up inside oneself from fear, usually from having essential needs for growth unmet in childhood."

and for passionate love?
how can one "move energy"?
how does fear create energy?
so being neglected creates fear, which creates "energy" that cannot be moved?

PLEASE EXPLAIN...?




In my guessing, passionate love is life force, one moves energy by yealding to the passion and becomming a vehical for the expression of life energy.

Fear does not creat energy. It IS energy. It is not in a flow state and there is no yealding to the life force flow state, but egoic resistance to yealding, because of fear of death, past childhood trauma, where the ego saved the childs life by shutting down the negative energy directed at the childs essential being. Just speculating here, I am trying to understand this myself.

So the life force energy already exists. Fear freezes energy (deer in the headlights) this is a survival mechanism. Once danger is gone then energy flows again. But in trama unresolved the fear never abates. It's energy is stuck. Yet energy "wants" to flow so will seek an outlet. To push through blockages, one may try violent acts to get energy moving. Because yealding to flow and trust is too scary/threatening to the ego, which still believes the origional threat is active, in which the innocent trust of the child was violated. Violence is an unskillfull attempt to move energy to the love flow state.

What do you think? :heart: :mushroom2:


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: Icelander]
    #4332522 - 06/24/05 03:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
Fear does not creat energy. It IS energy. It is not in a flow state and there is no yealding to the life force flow state, but egoic resistance to yealding...
So the life force energy already exists. Fear freezes energy (deer in the headlights) this is a survival mechanism.




I believe your second statement to be a more accurate description. Fear is not energy, but an impediment to energy. Energy/Life/Love is in constant motion, both "within" itself, and through all the embodiments in existance.

Perhaps a river is an apt metaphor...there is movement both within the individual water molecules (on an atomic level) and through the land as the mass of molecules flows along.

Fear could be seen as a dam on this river. The progress of the flow ceases, or at least decreases, but the flow continues. The pressure against this dam is enormous, and I believe the emotional sensation created by this pressure may become unbearable.

Perhaps both passionate love and passionate violence are reactions to this energetic pressure? Neither will remove the blockage, as neither dissolves the fear response.


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: fireworks_god]
    #4332685 - 06/24/05 03:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

fireworks_god said:
Quote:

Wiccan_Seeker said:
Seriously.. a bit odd. Or should I say otd?




No, you shouldn't. He poses a genuine spiritual and philosophic topic for discussion.

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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4332706 - 06/24/05 04:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So the life force energy already exists. Fear freezes energy (deer in the headlights) this is a survival mechanism. Once danger is gone then energy flows again. But in trama unresolved the fear never abates. It's energy is stuck. Yet energy "wants" to flow so will seek an outlet. To push through blockages, one may try violent acts to get energy moving. Because yealding to flow and trust is too scary/threatening to the ego, which still believes the origional threat is active, in which the innocent trust of the child was violated. Violence is an unskillfull attempt to move energy to the love flow state.


okay i can agree with this a bit more..fear "freezes" energy....not creates it.

define energy.

and still my post was not about parental mishandling....just simply.: do acts/thoughts of violence, and acts/thoughts of love spring up from the same emotion...passion?

i ask because i was just shootin the shit with my friend the other day and he asked how things were with me and my girl...i was honest and said ups and downs...yesterday i wanted rip her face off, and today i woke up and was greeted to some of the best sex i've had!! starnge...? Passion!!


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: Asante]
    #4332714 - 06/24/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

hey wiccan_seeker,
              i changed the title for you man! :thumbup:


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4333238 - 06/24/05 06:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

and still my post was not about parental mishandling....just simply.: do acts/thoughts of violence, and acts/thoughts of love spring up from the same emotion...passion?
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I don't think you are talking about Love here. I think the passion you are refering to here is more like lust then love. So thoughts of violence and lust would seem to come from the same emotion.

When it comes to Love I have a different defination then the common one. What some call love I call desire or ego gratification. I love you often means. I want you, I need you, I like how you behave toward me, I love you because you fit the image of my desire.

Love to me is the unconditional acceptance of self and others as they are. It's accepting someone exactally as they are rather than as I want them to be. And acknowledging that beneath  all of our personalities or actions we are the same expression of life force or energy.

What do you think?  :heart:


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: Icelander]
    #4333258 - 06/24/05 06:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Icelander said:
and still my post was not about parental mishandling....just simply.: do acts/thoughts of violence, and acts/thoughts of love spring up from the same emotion...passion?
________________________________________________________________

I don't think you are talking about Love here. I think the passion you are refering to here is more like lust then love. So thoughts of violence and lust would seem to come from the same emotion.

When it comes to Love I have a different defination then the common one. What some call love I call desire or ego gratification. I love you often means. I want you, I need you, I like how you behave toward me, I love you because you fit the image of my desire.

Love to me is the unconditional acceptance of self and others as they are. It's accepting someone exactally as they are rather than as I want them to be. And acknowledging that beneath  all of our personalities or actions we are the same expression of life force or energy.

What do you think?  :heart:



I have to say, every time you post about "love" and Love. I smile. For it is exactly how I live it. And always put so eloquently too! :heart: :smile: :thumbup: :sun: :heart:


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Re: wanting to gouge out someones eyes then skull-fuck 'em. [Re: uriahchase]
    #4333358 - 06/24/05 07:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, I call sloppy seconds...and I guarantee they'll be sloppy.


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