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Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL]
    #4328745 - 06/23/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose
June 21, 2005 - nbc-2.com

CAPE CORAL - Cape Coral police say two nineteen year olds who died in February died from an overdose of dextromethorphan (DXM), a synthetically produced ingredient found in many over-the-counter cough and cold remedies. The website where they purchased the drug has been shut down and is under investigation by the FDA.

The website for the company Chemical API, where Steve Wambolt and Chris Hundley purchased the powdered form of DXM, has been shut down and the company is under investigation by federal, state and local authorities for selling DXM.

"The autopsy report showed the boys died from ingestion of dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine, an overdose of the drugs," said Detective Bennett Walker of the Cape Coral Police Department.

Walker says the teenagers bought the pure powder form of DXM from the Chemical-API website.

According to the Cape Coral Police Department says the company was selling the drug without a license.

"They were targeting individual users and people who abuse the drug and that's why we're investigating this company, and that's still the evidence we're trying to gain to bring criminal prosecution against them," said Walker.

US Senator Bill Nelson says he wants the FDA to regulate websites that sell drugs online.

"By saying you have to use a tax ID number or some kind of password in order to prevent the kind of situation that happened in SWFL, where kids go on a website and started ordering drugs," said Nelson.

Steve Wambolt's father says he supports an investigation into the company that sold his sons the drugs and believes there should be strict guidelines for any company selling drugs over the internet.

He says parents and kids need to realize how dangerous over-the-counter medicine can be - and his son's death is perfect example.

Detective Walker says they need to prove intent from the company, meaning those behind Chemical API knew they were selling DXM to people wanting to use the drug to get high.

Walker hopes to bring criminal charges against the company by the end of the year.

DXM is found in more than 120 prescription cough and cold medicines. The government classifies DXM as a "drug of concern" because of its potential for misuse.

* Related story: Friend claims teens overdosed on DXM


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: veggie]
    #4330994 - 06/24/05 02:07 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Because pure DXM powder is sooooo over the counter :rolleyes:


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: veggie]
    #4336824 - 06/25/05 07:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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"The autopsy report showed the boys died from ingestion of dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine, an overdose of the drugs," said Detective Bennett Walker of the Cape Coral Police Department.




Article title is misleading. Misinformation at its best.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: veggie]
    #4337647 - 06/26/05 12:14 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Indeed, DXM and diphenhydramine at once, presumably recreational usage of both, is tantamount to Coricidin, which also has DXM and an antihistamine and is reknowned for its harmfulness.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: veggie]
    #4338247 - 06/26/05 03:13 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Related story...

2 Bellingham Men Did Die From The Drug Dextromethorphan
June 24, 2005 - komotv.com

BELLINGHAM - We now know Ryan Morgan and Cory Carlson of Bellingham are among five young men who died from the same drug they got online.

It was a pure, concentrated form of Dextromethorphan, also known as DEX or DXM.

Two other 19-year-olds died in Cape Coral, Florida -- 25 milligrams of the drug was sent to them in a zip lock bag.

Whatcom County Sheriff's Department confirms five teens in Washington, Florida, and Virginia have died from taking DXM they all bough from the same company, Chemical API.

KOMO 4 News has learned the feds have already raided the company, which was operated out of an Indianapolis apartment. They shut it down and sources confirm the United States Attorney's office is investigating.

"The idea that you can get the pure form of this, which can be dangerous, is concerning," said Caleb Banta-Green of the University of Washington Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute.

Banta-Green also says it's alarming teens are now getting it easily and cheaply, online. For decades, kids have gotten high on DXM by taking large amounts cough medicine. It gives them a high and hallucinations.

Chemical API's Web site is down, but we found the company's waiver form. It states the chemical should be used for research and is 'not for human consumption'.

"The vast majority of misuse of these substances is still the over the counter form," said Banta-Green.

But while it's scary kids get it online, they're still more likely to find DXM right in their medicine cabinet.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: veggie]
    #4342168 - 06/27/05 09:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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veggie said:
Related story...

2 Bellingham Men Did Die From The Drug Dextromethorphan
June 24, 2005 - komotv.com

BELLINGHAM - We now know Ryan Morgan and Cory Carlson of Bellingham are among five young men who died from the same drug they got online.

It was a pure, concentrated form of Dextromethorphan, also known as DEX or DXM.

Two other 19-year-olds died in Cape Coral, Florida -- 25 milligrams of the drug was sent to them in a zip lock bag.

Whatcom County Sheriff's Department confirms five teens in Washington, Florida, and Virginia have died from taking DXM they all bough from the same company, Chemical API.

KOMO 4 News has learned the feds have already raided the company, which was operated out of an Indianapolis apartment. They shut it down and sources confirm the United States Attorney's office is investigating.

"The idea that you can get the pure form of this, which can be dangerous, is concerning," said Caleb Banta-Green of the University of Washington Alcohol and Drug Abuse Institute.

Banta-Green also says it's alarming teens are now getting it easily and cheaply, online. For decades, kids have gotten high on DXM by taking large amounts cough medicine. It gives them a high and hallucinations.

Chemical API's Web site is down, but we found the company's waiver form. It states the chemical should be used for research and is 'not for human consumption'.

"The vast majority of misuse of these substances is still the over the counter form," said Banta-Green.

But while it's scary kids get it online, they're still more likely to find DXM right in their medicine cabinet.




BULLSHIT! The story says that two of the men received 25 milligrams of the drug, that sure as hell is not an overdose. A maximum strength dose of cough syrup has more DXM than that.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #4342172 - 06/27/05 09:33 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Related BULLSHIT STORY:
Teen's Parents Say He Died From A Stupid Mistake

June 23, 2005

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BELLINGHAM - Parents of a Bellingham student say his death was a stupid mistake.

"This was not an act of vengeance, it was not an act of desperation or anything else," said Dennis Morgan, "it was just stupidity."

That's the only way he can explain why his son died.

Ryan Morgan was 17 and his friend Cory Carlson was 19. On April 23, they were hanging out together at Ryan's Bellingham home.

Ryan's parents, Dennis and Stephanie, found the young men dead the next morning.

Dextromethorphan killed the boys. It's known as Dex, and a small amount of it is found in cold medicine. But when you mix a large amount of Dex with alcohol or marijuana it can cause sudden death.

Doctors say teens are taking it because they get a "high" with mild hallucinations.

Cory and Ryan bought a concentrated form of Dex from an Indiana company, Chemical API, over the Internet.

"I'm declaring all out war on Chemical API and anyone else who sells this crap on the Internet," said Dennis.

"Our investigation of the deaths in Bellingham revealed that other young people in the Bellingham area have been using the drug quite commonly," explained Whatcom County Sheriff Bill Elfo.

In Whatcom County four kids have overdosed on Dex recently, and three -- including Cory and Ryan -- have died.

The Sheriff said kids think it's safe because it's used in cold medicine. Dex is not safe, it is deadly.

"Parents (need to) push back and don't let them get away with it," urged Dennis. "It's better that they hate you the rest of their life rather than have to go through what we went through."

The U.S. Attorney's office is deciding whether to file charges against the owners of the Indiana company that sold Ryan and Cory Dex.

Ryan's parents are sharing their grief because they worry that kids still think Dex is safe, and that other parents don't even know what it is.


It says that if take DXM and smoke pot it's deadly..........


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: blacksabbathrulz]
    #4342225 - 06/27/05 10:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The worst part is that opponents of DXM will plaster this story up to further their misinformation, as if it means anything for responsible DXM users.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Organic]
    #4342526 - 06/27/05 12:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Pot kills!

That's funny.

Anyway, these kids ordered pure DXM online, ate it, and died... right?

Any other reasons listed yet?

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"The autopsy report showed the boys died from ingestion of dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine, an overdose of the drugs," said Detective Bennett Walker of the Cape Coral Police Department.




What is up with the diphenhydramine? Did they buy 'pure' DXM which was laced w/ something else?

Did they drink alcohol?

Did they mix substances?

There are many questions which remain unanswered...


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Rose]
    #4342625 - 06/27/05 01:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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"The autopsy report showed the boys died from ingestion of dextromethorphan and diphenhydramine, an overdose of the drugs," said Detective Bennett Walker of the Cape Coral Police Department.




That flat out implies the death resulted from a mixture of substances, not DXM alone.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Organic]
    #4342800 - 06/27/05 01:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Right it does, but I only saw it in one article... and it brings up an interesting question: Did the kids think they were taking PURE DXM and it had been mixed w/ something else... were the kids mixing substances themselves... or was the autopsy mis-represented?


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Rose]
    #4343190 - 06/27/05 03:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt the pure DXM from a supplier had been cut. That would be a first for an RC company AFAIK--a cut that is a deadly additive.

The other chem diphenhydramine reduces itching some may experience with DXM but also (obviously) substantially increases the risk when taken in unsafe dosages. I remember reading years back when I actually used DXM occasionally that taking it would 'potentiate' your high. A dirty additive, yes, much like huffing gas would 'potentiate' a shroom high.

I can think of a number of drugs that diphenhydramine could possibly 'snowball' in effect with and cause overdose symptoms/death. I think its sad that a couple irresponsible users taking lethal combinations allows the media to portray the safer chem (DXM) and the chemical suppliers as responsible. Poor judgement is what led these kids to death.

If better drugs were legal and available they probably wouldn't have been scarfing down DXM and a handful of OTC sleeping aids to get high.


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Organic]
    #4343496 - 06/27/05 04:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

how you take dxm? sniff? eat?


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Re: Police confirm teens died from DXM overdose [FL] [Re: Rose]
    #4346094 - 06/28/05 07:32 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

> What is up with the diphenhydramine?

It is an antihistamine, antiemetic and antispasmodic... sold under the brand name Benadryl.

"Even at very high doses (over 10 mg/kg) death from DMX is rare unless it is combined with other chemicals such as antihistamines, MDMA, alcohol or antidepressant medications." - Hilmas, Elora. (2001). ?Maryland Poison Center Toxalert.? Adolescent Dextromethorphan Abuse. Volume 18, Issue 1.


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