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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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natural image of human beings
    #4326214 - 06/22/05 08:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Is something most of hamanity is disguisted by

This is specially true when it comes to women.
Men can come closer to their genetical image without being rejected socially and sexually, but they too have limits. Women muct make radical changes in their apperance to look "normal"
But why is that?

Why are we disguisted by our own genes? When did we get to that point?


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4326237 - 06/22/05 09:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not sure what you mean, as i have not noticed this. The natural image of human beings, in flesh blood and gory bits, is a major turn on for me. I love to look past everything in a person and bask in their utterly course and rough reality.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: vampirism]
    #4326243 - 06/22/05 09:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm talking about the way a woman looks by nature (well not every woman looks the same, and there are exeptions) but women do have body hair, less then a man, but still it is there.

Yet the public opinion is that hairy armpits (for example) as something freaky and unnatural


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4326249 - 06/22/05 09:13 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

? yeah i know.

screw public opinion, that's all i can say. It's a modern thing at best.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4326295 - 06/22/05 09:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Society, for the lack of a better word, brainwashes us to see the "normal" human, which is actually nothing like the natural human. But we grow so used to seeing that human everywhere, on TV, in magazines, in real life, that once we see the natural human we're repulsed by the change our minds must go through.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Ravus]
    #4326304 - 06/22/05 09:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is very true. I remember reading about a repressed young man who only saw sexual images by looking at statues of women without pubic hair.

Eventually he was confronted with the real thing, with the pubic hair, and was so repulsed he couldn't have sex.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Ravus]
    #4326310 - 06/22/05 09:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I it is easy for us males, personally, I am keeping myself true to my genetic image (exept cutting nails and keeping clean) so that those who accept me, accept the real me, as I am written in nature.

But I can't imagine how would I feel if I were a woman, torturing my body so that others accept the twisted mutilated version of me.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Icelander]
    #4326334 - 06/22/05 09:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is very true. I remember reading about a repressed young man who only saw sexual images by looking at statues of women without pubic hair.

Why were you hanging out at museums all day? No magazines in your town?


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Swami]
    #4326353 - 06/22/05 09:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:rotfl:


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Swami]
    #4326558 - 06/22/05 10:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Cruel, oh so cruel. :nonono:


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Icelander]
    #4326564 - 06/22/05 10:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:rotfl:


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Icelander]
    #4327540 - 06/23/05 05:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Icelander said:
This is very true. I remember reading about a repressed young man who only saw sexual images by looking at statues of women without pubic hair.

Eventually he was confronted with the real thing, with the pubic hair, and was so repulsed he couldn't have sex.



I found this story utterly saddening.  :frown:

This is a perfect example of the very subtle message that females are constantly receiving from the actions of our society.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #4327762 - 06/23/05 09:29 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I am disgusted by the "scent mafia".

Look, I use deodorant and bathe semi-frequently so BO is not a problem for me but..

Really now :mad:
People who overdo the perfume and the aftershave. Oooh I hate that. My nostrils are pretty sensitive, granted, but some people decide to reek into the high heavens with floral compositions created by noseblind perfume companies :mad:

I have actually been hit by floral auras twenty feet in front and after some people most notably ladies.

And to some if you don't reek like a well-cleaned public loo you are suspect of perhaps stinking under their radar of blossoms and blooms.

Much (fresh) BO is preferable in intensity and often odor to what some people pour out over their bodies. Your vomeronasal organ and pheromone system gets blasted by these perfumed reekers.
They reek like junkies on an inhalant binge :mad:

The message lies on a deeper level. People who are in love like the smell of eachother's bodies. The day your partner's (hygienic) body odor starts smelling offensive is the day your relationship flushes down the tube. People you hate, stink to you by default.

Put it into the personal realm: On days you feel good your armpit after workout is entirely nonoffensive. Perhaps those people who douse themselves in artificial odors are self-loathing and thus stink to themselves.

Last week there was a girl in front of me in the supermarket checkout line. She reeked of an entire flowery meadow squeezed into one drop. Guess what: her only items were six cans of spray deodorant.
I thought to myself "OCD." and indeed, she wasnt out of the store or she was spraying herself with it right over her clothes :eek:

One wiccan girl had a perfume that miraculously did not stink. It wasnt offensively strong or sharp or all those things. Upon inquiring she told me that she hated perfumes and that she was in the habit of rubbing her torso with a flower, in this case a rose from her garden.
Now thats how it ought to be :thumbup:

So yes, people hide and alter their biological form, and another guise of that is dousing yourself in trichloro-flowerfield or whatever noxious fume is at hand.

Stale BO points to bad hygiene (thus low self esteem) and is most often offensive but you rarely encounter "fresh body odour" that is truly offensive. Some people smell like they have musk glands all over but still its what we're supposed to smell like.

I once ate in this restaurant where a lady two tables down had used so much perfume it felt like i was eating toilet freshener instead of a beefsteak. After some insisting on my behalf we took our plates and stuff & got seated on the other side of the restaurant.
And she would probably have thought "they still smell my BO :eek:" if she hadnt been too anesthesized by the chemical fumes to notice.


People ought to be able to walk the streets naked when theres a heatwave. None should take offense or blinded by lewd thoughts because of that. Women ought to feel OK about not wearing a bra. People ought to be able to smell like the apes they are instead of chlorinated meadows and the ass glands of muskrats.

And while we're at it: people should LOVE themselves and each other :heart:


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Asante]
    #4327769 - 06/23/05 09:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

And while we're at it: people should LOVE themselves and each other :thumbup: :thumbup: :heart: :heart: :grin: :grin: except for the should part, I agree!


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #4327772 - 06/23/05 09:32 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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This is a perfect example of the very subtle message that females are constantly receiving from the actions of our society.




When one in 5 girls under 10 years old already have dieted and one in 20 teenage girls are markedly anorexic... When models are having their lowest, "floating" ribs surgically removed to look even more slender...
The message isn't "very subtle" anymore.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Asante]
    #4327789 - 06/23/05 09:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

no need to wory, our nature and genese aren't going anywhere, we can manouvre around them but they are still our center, and humans will be humans no matter what anyone makes us look. So there will be times when we will look less natural and there will be times when we will look natural

I really don't mind any of it (the unnatural looks), people are pretty with long hair or short hair, or whatever they make of themselfs, What I DO mind is that people think their altered look is a standard and that being natural is not normal


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Asante]
    #4327791 - 06/23/05 09:44 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

so very sad :sad: :sad: :sad:.  My current partner has shared with me her struggles with self image. She has seen through it and now accepts herself and body as is for the most part.

This problem with image is a stumbling block to real loving relationships between men and women IMO. :sad: :heart: :heart:


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4328272 - 06/23/05 01:32 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

"be natural" is normalization along a cultural ideal too
it is a cultural imperative
nature is a cultural image

is foot-binding unnatural? i believe we are part of nature. but i still think it's wrong, because of the suffering it causes.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Asante]
    #4328594 - 06/23/05 02:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I agree that there is nothing "subtle" about the messages females (and males, to an increasing extent) are receiving. So much of it is product-driven! Our economy is based on the perception of personal lack, and where that perception does not exist-it is programmed in!

Think about this: the gorgeous women who appear in magazines represent a physical "package" that is present in less than 1% of the women in the world. They are tall, slim, fit, young, and invest large amounts of time and money in staying that way. Yet even with all these "resources" at their disposal, their images are digitally enhanced to increase their appearance of perfection. The resulting images do not represent any humans present in nature. You could more accurately describe them as art than photographs.

To further bolster the power of these images, men's magazines feature these digitally enhanced beauties. Boys grow up masturbating to computer creations, and their sexual response may become fixated on images of perfection. Since heterosexual women want to be loved by men, they will strive to attain the ideal. Their strivings create an unending demand for self-improvement products and services.

Personally, I am sickened and frustrated by this system.


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Re: natural image of human beings [Re: Veritas]
    #4328648 - 06/23/05 03:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Me too Veritas. And I couldn't agree more, and couldn't have said it better. :thumbup: :heart: :mushroom2:


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