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OfflineSneezingPenis
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commerce and happiness...
    #4325933 - 06/22/05 07:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Imagine how horrible our economy would be if we were all content/happy, or even a high percentage of Americans (or any other industrialized country) were this way.
Malcontent and unhappiness are the driving forces of capitalism. Little packages of instant gratification for sale in a million different ways. Pharmaceutical companies would crumble, so would Wal-mart, Sears, car manufacturers, advertising agencies.....EVERYTHING!
Imagine what advertising would have to be like if everyone was content with their life.

So... where does this put us? what does this mean? Do corporations/government maliciously attempt to subvert true happiness by instilling materialism? Are we better off as a nation/world being unhappy?


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4325942 - 06/22/05 07:31 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)


So... where does this put us? what does this mean? Do corporations/government maliciously attempt to subvert true happiness by instilling materialism?
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It might be malicious, but maybe it's just control. Whatever it is, I don't see very many happy Americans.


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4325943 - 06/22/05 07:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Economy is a necessary evil, so if we can get rid of it, it would be great (just like authroity, police, army etc.)


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4327078 - 06/23/05 01:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
So... where does this put us? what does this mean? Do corporations/government maliciously attempt to subvert true happiness by instilling materialism?




yes, also by chemical manipulation(sugar, caffine, nicotine, etc).


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4327213 - 06/23/05 02:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

yea but if we were all happy we wouldn't need or care about commerce


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: rickjames86]
    #4327408 - 06/23/05 03:28 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Sure, there is a circle :
The unhappiness of people forces them to make something better -> improve their work, work better and more efficiently.
It's a illusion to 'buy' happiness, which is forced by government and industry.
The government and the industry use this illusion to force you to be more productive but they keep you relatively poor, so that they can gain more profit and leave you unhappy.
You only can break this circle if you can gain happiness without commerce.


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #4327675 - 06/23/05 07:58 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

but does anyone think that our economy needs a certain majority of people to be unhappy and miserable to maintain its balance?


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4328213 - 06/23/05 01:17 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I think I would still want to buy a bicycle, toothpaste, fresh food, and sneakers nomatter how content I was with my life.


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    #4328291 - 06/23/05 01:34 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

A great deal of the economy survives on the ideal that the customer needs the product to be fulfilled. If you're not wearing the right clothes and listening to the right music, than you're not cool. If you're not cool, you don't get into the fast lane.

This system provides many people with jobs...

I'm not sure what would change if millions of youths suddenly realized they don't care about their image and just want to become farmers, or if millions of adults suddenly realized their old vehicles are just as effecient as the new ones, and they can be content lying out in a hammock in their backyards instead of racing out to buy the latest tech-toy.

Or how about if all these old ladies suddenly realized how beautiful their old age was and stopped trying to look like something they're not?

I think there would be a dramatic shift in the service industry... A lot of artists would lose their jobs in the advertising market because their would be no market left. People would buy things because of what they do, not how they look.

I don't know.. I think this matter is infinitely complicated.


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4328398 - 06/23/05 02:01 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i think everyone's unhappy. everyone's happy too. it depends on which part of the person is being accessed.

i think capitalism preys on the unhappiness that's already there.
i wish my teeth were whiter, oh there's crest whitestrips.

i believe commerce is the effect, not the cause.


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4328555 - 06/23/05 02:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Happiness/unhappiness. Yes! But you can effect the balance me thinks, Therefore me am. Me thinks?  :confused: :grin: :heart:


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: Icelander]
    #4329640 - 06/23/05 08:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I was listening to NPR yesteraday and heard a story about happiness, which is what spawned this thread. If you have 3 minutes, listen to it, it makes some very goo dpoints about happiness in relation to all things...

NPR editorial


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Re: commerce and happiness... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #4330223 - 06/23/05 10:27 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

"Malcontent and unhappiness are the driving forces of capitalism. Little packages of instant gratification for sale in a million different ways. Pharmaceutical companies would crumble, so would Wal-mart, Sears, car manufacturers, advertising agencies.....EVERYTHING!
Imagine what advertising would have to be like if everyone was content with their life"

with an economy, and with money comes the laziness to learn. most of us I bet don't know how to farm. we rely on money so we can go to stores to to buy food, clothes, cars, ect. happy or not, people would still need to buy things.

I think though if we feed, clothed, and sheltered everyone (which means no war), had a system that runs on 'clean energy' then we wouldn't really need much of an economy.

do corporations instill materialism in everyone, you bet! making money, the bottom line is money. the media are the great artists of our time.

FORD 2005 SALE! fireworks explode! "boy I wouldn't want to miss this"

so easy to grip us, i think if people weren't just happy, but also thought for themselves (such as cause and effect), then the economy would be screwed.


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