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What started it all?
    #4318657 - 06/20/05 10:57 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

K guys, here's a crazy thought (you might of already thought about it before but...) The Earth is such a small planet in one galaxy out of millions. Well like what happened, how did the universe start, there had to be something right? I mean like, before all this, before space and the galaxies was everything just like white? Man it's crazy.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318683 - 06/20/05 11:05 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

The Force, Luke... err Rick


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318726 - 06/20/05 11:19 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Friction.


Lotsa friction.




:grin:




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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318783 - 06/20/05 11:35 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

brane sex


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318802 - 06/20/05 11:39 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

As I wrote in a story when I was 9 years old called "One", God went insane from loneliness and exploded causing the Big Bang. Eventually after near eternity, all the pieces come back together, God remembers who he is once again and that there is nothing else, goes mad and the cycle starts again.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318817 - 06/20/05 11:43 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

That's one of life's great mysteries. I doubt if it will ever be solved. In the mean time, there are plenty of crackpot theories that you can subscribe to.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: TheShroomHermit]
    #4318845 - 06/20/05 11:50 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

It started with the Storyswamitold,
A bit of luck that was actually right.
It ended with a lesson story told,
The beginning was a Storyswamitold.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: sox24]
    #4318882 - 06/21/05 12:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I google'd "the meaning of life" awhile ago, and this was on it.

http://users.aristotle.net/~diogenes/meaning1.htm

Check it out!?


The beginning of the physical universe is a question that is really outside the boundaries of human understanding, but here is a story, a metaphor, that can answer that question on a symbolic level. In other words, this is a traditional religious document, it attempts to set down in words events that are larger than words allow. This section owes a lot to several sources, including Alan Watts and Jane Roberts.

Before the beginning of time, there was a single consciousness. In fact, there may have been a bunch of other stuff, but that's way outside our scope here. That consciousness thought and dreamed an infinity of thoughts, feelings, landscapes, and worlds, an infinity of possible creations. These mental creations thought their own thoughts, and these secondary thoughts also created their own inner worlds. The original consciousness observed and interacted with these inner beings as they interacted with one another, and that original consciousness begin to provide the environments required for its creations to grow and develop. All of the entities within the mind of the first longed to exist independently and grow and create as they had been created.

The first consciousness, in order to allow its progeny full freedom of expression, began to imagine the conditions that would be required for the release of these inner worlds into objective existence. As it did so, all of space, time, and matter, including our universe, exploded into being. On the highest level, this physical existence contains an infinite number of dimensions and environments that match the infinite variety of possibilities that had formed in the mind of the original consciousness.

This process continues as the progeny of that first mind grow and create new thoughts and new worlds. We are a result of that process, and our purpose is ultimately the same: to grow, to develop, and to create, in order to express all of the potentialities within ourselves. We are still in contact with the original mind because we are made of it, we sprang from it, and because time has no meaning outside of the physical universe, our past, present, and future exist together as an infinite variety of possibilities within that larger moment.

What does that mean, an infinite variety of possibilities? We are starting to get some concrete answers to that question from our friends the physicists.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4318957 - 06/21/05 12:25 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

how did the universe start

The universe doesn't necessarily have to have a beginning. It could always have been, like numbers; they go from negative infinity to positive infinity with no beginning or end.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: Diploid]
    #4319751 - 06/21/05 08:13 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

> The universe doesn't necessarily have to have a beginning.

The universe, or time itself? Seems that we are speaking of two different things, but perhaps not. What is the universe?

> God went insane from loneliness and exploded causing the Big Bang

I have had similiar 'revalations' while meditating when tripping. (Interesting question... how many mushrooms does it take to lower/raise my current mental abilities to that of a 9-year old Swami? *chuckle*)


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watch video COSMOS [Re: rickjames86]
    #4319808 - 06/21/05 09:05 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

www.carlsagan.com

(an amazing PBS science show, buy it, or borrow it from yr library, or ask yr local public TV station to show it again :wink: ... like, the history of everything, dude...)


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4319831 - 06/21/05 09:17 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

These are questions that can only be answered under the influence of mushies. :smile:


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Re: What started it all? [Re: rickjames86]
    #4319864 - 06/21/05 09:41 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

if you're interested in the origins of the universe, i recommend reading stephen hawking's 'a brief history of time' and 'the universe in a nutshell' which explain what we know in a very simple non-mathematical form.

basically you have these 11-dimensional membranes that spontaneously form out of nothing (our universe is supposedly one of them). it sounds crazy, but it actually follows very logically from more classical physics. this theory explains several other things as well; such as the nature of dark matter, and the strange behaviour of gravity compared to the other fundamental forces.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: alsey]
    #4319973 - 06/21/05 11:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think it really explains shit.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: alsey]
    #4319990 - 06/21/05 11:06 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

membranes that spontaneously form out of nothing

And you're back where you started.  :tongue:


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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: sox24]
    #4320592 - 06/21/05 02:26 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

it explains a hell of a lot actually, try learning it sometime.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: Diploid]
    #4320618 - 06/21/05 02:32 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
membranes that spontaneously form out of nothing

And you're back where you started.  :tongue:




yes, exactly. i.e. i answered the question.

the universe has either existed forever (observable evidence does not support this), or it was formed spontaneously. there are no other possibilities.

if you want to try and understand how it formed spontaneously, i recommend you read the books i mentioned.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: alsey]
    #4321164 - 06/21/05 04:55 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

alsey said:
it explains a hell of a lot actually, try learning it sometime.




Try learning that ideas like that are always replaced by something else.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: sox24]
    #4321596 - 06/21/05 07:07 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

i think a finite universe is loggically impossible.

something cannot come from nothing.
to give the universe an outer border is to then define what's outside of that border(if the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into?).

the only rational explanation is that everything is infinite.


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Re: What started it all? [Re: Gijith]
    #4321608 - 06/21/05 07:10 PM (12 years, 5 months ago)

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Gijith said:
brane sex






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