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Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points
#4317680 - 06/20/05 04:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_for_and_against_drug_prohibition
While this isn't as inclusive as hopefully the debates on this forum will be, the Wikipedia article has outlined many War on Drugs debates beginning at the point/ counter-point section: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arguments_f...rug_prohibition
It's quite a fascinating article, and I suggest checking it out. If someone gets stuck in a debate or just wants to read up on possible paths an argument can take, it could serve as an aid.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Ravus]
#4582948 - 08/26/05 01:55 AM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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Wikipedia is full of great information. Glad to see I'm not the only one to use it frequently.
Edited by Thrasher420x (12/31/05 11:47 PM)
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Thrasher420x]
#4593138 - 08/28/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 5 months ago) |
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My point is the war on drugs increases crime and disease, ending the war on drugs would do the opposite.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: LSDempire]
#5759078 - 06/16/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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What persons do in their residences, according to some, should not be regulated by the government. Many argue that persons should be able to do whatever they want with their bodies, as long as they do not harm others
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: DieSpectra]
#5792440 - 06/26/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think what happened during the prohibition of alcohol in the early 20th century should be all the experience we would need to see that prohibition does not work. The idea of being able to ban a substance outright, in the face of clear demand for it by the public is just absurd. If you look at all the unanticipated effects that prohibition had on America (e.g. the surge in bootlegging, organized crime, the huge black market in general) you can draw a clear parallel to what is happening with drug enforcement in America today.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Ravus]
#5800897 - 06/28/06 09:24 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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against prohibition:
1. millions of americans will not have their lives severely disrupted by drug convictions. 2. millions of americans will be allowed the liberty to choose what they put in their bodies, without fear. 3. police and military resources can be used more constructively. 4. police will stop routinely using sleazy tactics to get convictions and actually start to serve and protect. 5. no enormously profitable illegal, violent drug market. 6. pure, unadulterated drugs will reduce harm from drug use, especially overdoses. 7. reduction in HIV and hepatitis from IV needle use.
in favor:
1. drug addicts are usually a drag on society. they often have trouble supporting themselves and so are supported by everyone else, either because they resort to crime or have the government steal for them. 2. children of drug addict parents are victimized by neglect and maltreatment. also, they may go on to become criminals or addicts themselves as a result.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: wilshire]
#5837047 - 07/08/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 6 months ago) |
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would the drugs be cheaper if they were legal. i was talking to my grandma about legalizing them and shes like. "WELL IF THEY WERE LEGAL EVERYONE WOULD BE STONED ALL THE TIME AND EARTH WOULD DIE"
and i said how alcohol is legal and not everyone is drunk all the time...
and shes like "yeah, well, alcolhl doesnt make you addicted and kill people"
i was ready to kick her in the nuts.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: kora]
#7749745 - 12/12/07 02:54 PM (16 years, 1 month ago) |
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YEah cuz Alcohol Anonymous and deaths from drunk driving are all a crazy liberal conspiracy!!!!!
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: kora]
#7846993 - 01/08/08 07:23 AM (16 years, 23 days ago) |
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kora said: would the drugs be cheaper if they were legal. i was talking to my grandma about legalizing them and shes like. "WELL IF THEY WERE LEGAL EVERYONE WOULD BE STONED ALL THE TIME AND EARTH WOULD DIE"
and i said how alcohol is legal and not everyone is drunk all the time...
and shes like "yeah, well, alcolhl doesnt make you addicted and kill people"
i was ready to kick her in the nuts.
wtf... where does she live.... i'll kick her in the nuts for you.... the only info shes ever seen on pot most likely came from propaganda films like reefer madness... sigh...
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: kora]
#9786555 - 02/12/09 06:21 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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kora said: would the drugs be cheaper if they were legal. i was talking to my grandma about legalizing them and shes like. "WELL IF THEY WERE LEGAL EVERYONE WOULD BE STONED ALL THE TIME AND EARTH WOULD DIE"
and i said how alcohol is legal and not everyone is drunk all the time...
and shes like "yeah, well, alcolhl doesnt make you addicted and kill people"
i was ready to kick her in the nuts.
yo, sorry, but fuck your grandma.
"and the earth would die" Lol, why do I picture granny from squidbillies saying this?
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: timekiller]
#9787169 - 02/12/09 08:04 PM (14 years, 11 months ago) |
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timekiller said:
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kora said: would the drugs be cheaper if they were legal. i was talking to my grandma about legalizing them and shes like. "WELL IF THEY WERE LEGAL EVERYONE WOULD BE STONED ALL THE TIME AND EARTH WOULD DIE"
and i said how alcohol is legal and not everyone is drunk all the time...
and shes like "yeah, well, alcolhl doesnt make you addicted and kill people"
i was ready to kick her in the nuts.
yo, sorry, but fuck your grandma.
"and the earth would die" Lol, why do I picture granny from squidbillies saying this?
Omg, I just got that pink squid grandma in my head reading that. "Ohhhh Lord! Where's my medicine, I think I put it somewhere... maybe it's in this badger... *gets face eaten off* Nope, not in there..."
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Edited by Dementous (02/12/09 08:05 PM)
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Dementous]
#10322415 - 05/11/09 01:07 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fuck your grandma? Why would you say such a thing?
It's exactly that attitude that is associated with drugs.
Fuck your grandma. Please. She's obviously just miseducated. Why not rather try to explain to her that it's not all true. Take time off to explain that alcohol is the biggest killer (OK I know more people drink therefore there are more related deaths, but proportionately this is still way higher than marijuana related deaths).
I do disagree with certain drugs however - mostly synthesized drugs, and the mental capacity in question leading to use and abuse.
I'm all for legalisation, particulary of weed and mushrooms. No man can possibly tell us what we can do to our own consciousness, provided we are not a threat to other men. And good men will never be a threat to others.
I don't see people getting high and deciding that doing crime is a good thing. That thought is preconceived. Then when criminals are caught and admit to smoking weed or whatever, the negative stigma begins.
Nobody comes to me in my home and asks, "how does weed make you feel connected to the universe, to nature, to creation?" or "when you take mushrooms, do you get filled with love, joy, and purity, and oneness with the earth?"
It is my right to freedom of belief, as long as destroying the freedom of others is not compromised during my quest.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: noggin]
#10334263 - 05/13/09 07:25 PM (14 years, 8 months ago) |
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noggin said: Fuck your grandma? Why would you say such a thing?
Because....Fuck his grandma...
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It's exactly that attitude that is associated with drugs.
by: ignorant close minded people that don't want to know the truth, and are usually scared/offended by everything they don't understand.
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Fuck your grandma. Please. She's obviously just miseducated. Why not rather try to explain to her that it's not all true.
"There are some people, that if they don't know, you can't tell em" -Louis Armstrong
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Take time off to explain that alcohol is the biggest killer (OK I know more people drink therefore there are more related deaths, but proportionately this is still way higher than marijuana related deaths).
There are no marijuana related deaths, like grandma would believe that.
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I do disagree with certain drugs however - mostly synthesized drugs, and the mental capacity in question leading to use and abuse.
That is actually quite hypocritical, if you disagree with them, don't use them, nobodies forcing you. I believe all drugs should be taxed and regulated. You can't stop demand, some folks just wanna get high, and I should be aloud to put whatever I want inside my body. Let people make their own mistakes, if you don't know that you should be safe and cautious with drugs than you should be allowed (and possibly encouraged) to kill yourself. We need government and law enforcement to guard us not babysit us. The education system should provide us with the necessary info to make informed decisions about such things, the Health care system should provide treatment to those who seek it, and the criminal justice and corrections departments should have little to nothing to do with the matter.(maybe put them in charge of supervising a work for crack/heroin program to keep them busy.) We've all been scammed and lied to about drugs for too damn long. Also, natural does not equal safe, compare LSD to jimsonweed.
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I'm all for legalisation, particulary of weed and mushrooms. No man can possibly tell us what we can do to our own consciousness, provided we are not a threat to other men. And good men will never be a threat to others.
I don't see people getting high and deciding that doing crime is a good thing. That thought is preconceived. Then when criminals are caught and admit to smoking weed or whatever, the negative stigma begins.
Nobody comes to me in my home and asks, "how does weed make you feel connected to the universe, to nature, to creation?" or "when you take mushrooms, do you get filled with love,
The rest of your post just re-enforces the reasons behind... Fuck his grandma!
PS: use spell check.
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Re: Summarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Ravus]
#16202511 - 05/08/12 10:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago) |
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Edited by Drew7 (05/08/12 10:45 PM)
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Re: Kumarization of Prohibition Points/ Counter-Points [Re: Ravus]
#28356390 - 06/12/23 12:58 AM (7 months, 12 days ago) |
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Prehistoric rock art near Villar del Humo in Spain suggests that Psilocybe hispanica was used in religious rituals up to a minimum of 6,000 years ago.
The first amendment to the constitution of the united states is as follows. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise or practice of religion thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
It is entirely irrefutable that the illegality of psilocybe mushrooms as well as other entheogen containing plants is as unconstitutional as it is illegal, Especially with mescaline and psilocybin as they both have a minimum of 5000-6000 years of documented religious and spiritual use. Banning these substances, besides being a grand display of Misinformation spreading stupidity and USSR, east block, Joseph Stalin, NKVD style vast government overreach of control into its citizens lives, is an impingement on the free and unhindered religious or spiritual practice(s) if any given individual should choose to use these substances for spiritual/religious purposes. This definitionally is a violation of first amendment rights of all American citizens. It's that simple.
Side note: If anybody should decide that they want to make the argument of "Well that can just be an excuse to make all drugs legal", no that's not how that works. Other drugs for example heroin or fentanyl or meth or anything else of that nature has absolutely 0 documented religious or spiritual use, therefore those substances will (and rightfully so imo) remain illegal because it will not fall into violation of the first amendment.
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Edited by RP3 (06/12/23 01:06 AM)
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