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how's this for a representation of the state of today's world?
    #4317652 - 06/20/05 04:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

speaks alot doesn't it?

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317701 - 06/20/05 04:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I'm not fat, but I'm colorblind.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317702 - 06/20/05 04:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah, we've got food and they don't.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4317797 - 06/20/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Was it not this way in the past?
So if you have a lot money you eat plenty, if you don't have a lot of money you don't.
Pretty simple.
Why those third world countries wont/can't get their acts together is intriguing.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4317805 - 06/20/05 04:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Oregon said:
Why those third world countries wont/can't get their acts together is intriguing.




/me hopes this was meant at least somewhat ironically...


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4317811 - 06/20/05 04:47 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Why those third world countries wont/can't get their acts together is intriguing.

Maybe they are still being held back?


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Krishna]
    #4317817 - 06/20/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I refuse to post my thoughts in this thread...


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Krishna]
    #4317831 - 06/20/05 04:50 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

yes, somewhat.
Indeed they are being held back, by many forces.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: PaulAtreides]
    #4317839 - 06/20/05 04:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

C'mon, share your thoughts.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4317844 - 06/20/05 04:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

we send 200 bags of seed to a 3rd world country and they immediatley eat the seeds
Whos right and whos wrong?


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317864 - 06/20/05 04:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

That's natural selection. People stray too far from the Middle Path in both directions and suffer the consequences.

Whether or not they choose to stray is irrelevant to the end result they experience, which is disease and death. I wouldn't expect it any other way really; there will always be areas where people overconsume, or areas where the country's in such a bad situation the people can't even get enough food to eat.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: PaulAtreides]
    #4317880 - 06/20/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

For instance-Indeed the Continent known as 'The Cradle of Man' definitely seems not to be 'The Cradle of Civilization' also.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317904 - 06/20/05 05:07 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

If the so-called "leaders" of many African nations stopped buying gold-plated Roll Royces whilst their people drop dead of starvation, it might help matters there somewhat...

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4317920 - 06/20/05 05:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Oregon said:
Was it not this way in the past?





no, people used to rely on ressources from their own land, but now, with the process of globalization and with the world market, rich people rely on poor country's ressources.

the way the actual globalization process is behaving right now is only deepening the trench between the Third-World and the rich world.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317959 - 06/20/05 05:24 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I just ate some rice


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317972 - 06/20/05 05:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

exclusive58 said:
in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

speaks alot doesn't it?

:stoned:




your just figuring this out now??

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: DF2K]
    #4317980 - 06/20/05 05:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

well its a pretty recent problem, relatively speaking. its not like its a historically permanent fact.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4317994 - 06/20/05 05:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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ToiletDuk said:
If the so-called "leaders" of many African nations stopped buying gold-plated Roll Royces whilst their people drop dead of starvation, it might help matters there somewhat...




ya. and if the so called leaders of western civilization stopped economically and materially aiding african dictators to stay on top, it might help somewhat as well.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317995 - 06/20/05 05:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I like having food, I'd be sad if I didn't :sad:


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4317996 - 06/20/05 05:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
well its a pretty recent problem, relatively speaking. its not like its a historically permanent fact.




I'm pretty sure that ever since we were "civilised" enough to have currency, there have been rich people and there have been poor people. There have alwayds been Haves and Have-Nots.

I'm not saying it's good... but it's not exactly front page news.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4318020 - 06/20/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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HELLA_TIGHT said:
I like having food, I'd be sad if I didn't :sad:




:grin: no kidding  :smirk:

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318023 - 06/20/05 05:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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ya. and if the so called leaders of western civilization stopped economically and materially aiding african dictators to stay on top, it might help somewhat as well.




True, but you can't lay all the blame on the West......

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Turd]
    #4318056 - 06/20/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Turd said:
Quote:

exclusive58 said:
well its a pretty recent problem, relatively speaking. its not like its a historically permanent fact.




I'm pretty sure that ever since we were "civilised" enough to have currency, there have been rich people and there have been poor people. There have alwayds been Haves and Have-Nots.

I'm not saying it's good... but it's not exactly front page news.




ya but its never been so perfectly geographically organized as it is today.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4318071 - 06/20/05 05:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

sorry, but personally i lay alot (not all) of blame on the west, both because of it's past AND present behavior.

i mean shit, i'm guilty a well. nobody's innocent. we're all parts of this system that makes this machine work the way it does.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318083 - 06/20/05 05:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

there's people starving to death everywhere, mang

there have always been "ghettos". When we were small cultures, every civilization had their own area that was generally poorer than the rest. Now that we're a global community, that same principal has been manifested on a respectively global scale.

It's just another one of those problems with human nature that will probably only go away once we evolve away from such greed as a species. But as long as people want to do better than their fellow man... this kinda shit happens. Same with war. As long as people want to be better than eachother, there will be people who will fight for it.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318097 - 06/20/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

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in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

speaks alot doesn't it?

:stoned:




true though it may be, alot of people are goin hungry here in america.
i drove through downtown la last month... omg, i new it was bad here, but i had no idea it was this bad. drive through one day, youll get a reality check. while living in germany, i felt safe walking through the most dangerous places of the city, and id do this at like 2 at night (mainly to go buy weed... or as a short cut to where ever i was goin). but id never walk through la at night...


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318100 - 06/20/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Oh sure there aren't any totally innocent parties here, and we westerners (particularly the US) do consume more than our fair share of most everything. But sometimes this can come back to haunt us, like the current oil crunch we're experiencing. I just hope we can mend our ways before it's too late.....

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: eligal]
    #4318184 - 06/20/05 06:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

you do realise more people in america are currently unemployed than the great depression of 1929

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: faslimy]
    #4318208 - 06/20/05 06:28 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Duh, we have a shit ton more people. To make that a relevant statement it would have to be a percentage.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4318211 - 06/20/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Dude, there was like an estimated 1.5 billion people at the point, last figure i hear, which was a while ago was 6 billion


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4318268 - 06/20/05 06:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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For instance-Indeed the Continent known as 'The Cradle of Man' definitely seems not to be 'The Cradle of Civilization' also.




Egypt isn't part of Africa?


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: trendal]
    #4318303 - 06/20/05 07:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

They ate all the seed..


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: trendal]
    #4318403 - 06/20/05 07:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Egypt is, I think the northern most african country.


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4318404 - 06/20/05 07:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)



*north eastern


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: hawksapprentice]
    #4318446 - 06/20/05 07:52 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Duh, we have a shit ton more people.  To make that a relevant statement it would have to be a percentage.




that is working from percentages because what you stated is very obvious :smile:

i questioned the same thing myself when i heard it

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318738 - 06/20/05 09:23 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Oregon said:
Was it not this way in the past?





no, people used to rely on resources from their own land, but now, with the process of globalization and with the world market, rich people rely on poor country's resources.




So rich countries/people don't have/rely on their own resources at all?
Even before globalization, the Kings of days past were a bit fatter well and well fed than their own countries peasants.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: trendal]
    #4318780 - 06/20/05 09:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Quote:

Oregon said:
For instance-Indeed the Continent known as 'The Cradle of Man' definitely seems not to be 'The Cradle of Civilization' also.




Egypt isn't part of Africa?



Keyword= Continent
Egypt=Country
Mesopotamia= The Cradle of Civilization.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_Civilization

So where were you attempting to go with that Egypt statement?

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4318799 - 06/20/05 09:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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exclusive58 said:
sorry, but personally i lay alot (not all) of blame on the west, both because of it's past AND present behavior.




Would it be more the "Wests'" fault, or more the fault of the people in the Undeveloped Region?
The past and present(almost the exact same damm thing) behavior of the Third world countries has less bearing on the matter?

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4319370 - 06/21/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

If they stopped having so many babies when they can't feed the ones they already have, maybe they'd get fat too. :shrug:


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Diploid]
    #4319416 - 06/21/05 12:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

If they stopped having so many babies when they can't feed the ones they already have, maybe they'd get fat too. :shrug:




yea, but i dont think they have adequate birthcontrol. and dont say no sex is better! thats just silly....


ps, and no, i didnt know there was that much unemployment... :frown:


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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Diploid]
    #4319652 - 06/21/05 03:23 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

If they stopped having so many babies when they can't feed the ones they already have, maybe they'd get fat too. :shrug:




having lots of babies is a way to assure the family's survival. imagine if african parents only had one kid. how probable is it that this kid will survive? he could just get bitten by a scorpion, and there goes the offspring.

by having lots of kids, you make sure that at least a couple will reach the age of twenty.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4319693 - 06/21/05 04:28 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

This thread is hilarious. I wonder how many of these people have ever been to the third world and lived there.

Americans think differently than most other developed countries. Thats why people everywhere hate Americans - its cause their isolated and therefore ignorant. But maybe if they didn't put the blame somewhere else they would have trouble living the way they do.

Like, if I'm wearing a shirt made by some 8 yer old in India, its their fault for taking that job right? No skin off my back...I'm just supporting their company when I wear that, if I wasn't they wouldn't have a job.


Good thread and interesting thought. Now, if you think about it too much it borders on whining...but I like it. Like KRS1 said - don't expect praise from slaves and hoes, or the slave masters you know they don't know....nothing compares to the respect of your people.

Edited by sideshowbob (06/21/05 04:29 AM)

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: PaulAtreides]
    #4319753 - 06/21/05 06:17 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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PaulAtreides said:
we send 200 bags of seed to a 3rd world country and they immediatley eat the seeds
Whos right and whos wrong?




eh? we (not us per-se but through intellectual patents pushed by the neo-liberal globalisation agenda) genetically patent ancient strains of, say, rice - control the int'l market and set this as the only suitable standard, and then sell these people their rice back to them at enormous crops. not to mention beautiful technological developments like 'terminator technology' whereby the plants won't produce re-usable seed (hey i've got an idea, let's take out mother nature's natural instinct to reproduce! then we can sell new crops each generation!). not to mention flood massive amounts of traditional farm-lands to generate electricity, a majority of which is then used to run multi-national owned enterprises that rob the land of it's natural resources, employ people at slave-wages (you want labour rights? that's it, we're moving to the next 3rd world country!), ad naseum...

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4319872 - 06/21/05 07:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Civilization didn't arise in one location. It sprung up at relatively the same time in various locations accross the globe.

At any rate, NE Egypt is more or less attatched to Mesopotamia and as such would be included in your "Cradle of Civilization" :wink:


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    #4320318 - 06/21/05 10:44 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I agree it didn't arise in just one location.
Canada is more than less attached to The United States. :doh: :wink:

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: sideshowbob]
    #4320335 - 06/21/05 10:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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This thread is hilarious.  I wonder how many of these people have ever been to the third world and lived there. 

Americans think differently than most other developed countries.  That's why people everywhere hate Americans - its cause their isolated and therefore ignorant.  But maybe if they didn't put the blame somewhere else they would have trouble living the way they do.




SO have you lived in a Least Developed country?
Isolated and therefore ignorant? :lol: :rotfl:
How is America isolated?
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    #4320402 - 06/21/05 11:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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:thumbdown: to profits before people...




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    #4320525 - 06/21/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Yes i have lived all over Africa for many years - thats where I'm from - South and Central America, and the USA for the past 6 years.

By isolated, I mean that (don't quote me on this number) maybe 90% of Americans have never been to another country, unless its cancun or something along those lines - some resort. And they generally stay within their country. They listen to their own radio, their own music, watch their own movies, read their own magazines and newspapers....and i could go on and on.


Whereas in Germany for example, people travel all the time to different countries, they watch plenty of foreign films, listen to foreign music, read foreign books, news, etc...marry foreigners more often...

Don't say that Germany is smaller and thats why. I know that already.

Why do you think white french people can rap while most white american's can't? its cause in many other places hip hop isn't only for 'niggers'. in america, a white boy has to listen to white boy music or he's considered a wigger and looked down on. its a very racist place. Likewise, an African isn't supposed to listen to Metallica in America. They are supposed to stick to their 'own' kind and their 'own' music.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4320551 - 06/21/05 12:06 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

The United States has a responsibility to maintain the happiness of it's citizens, regardless of it's affect on other's. It may not sound good, but if we were a third-world country, and another country was the only super power, we'd be treated the same way.

Plus, the US gives out the most foreign aid, so we can't be doing that shabby.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: sideshowbob]
    #4320564 - 06/21/05 12:11 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I see what you are saying.
Germany, ah yes good example(not), shares borders with what 8 or 9 different countries? Whereas The United States has 2 borders.
I didn't know white French people could rap, they must be Friggers.
If many white Frenchies can/do rap it's because they soo want to be like American culture(as they may perceive it).
Get on topic dude, were talking about rich/fat and poor/starving, not about white French wannabe rappers.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: exclusive58]
    #4320610 - 06/21/05 12:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.

speaks alot doesn't it?

:stoned:




Isn't that pretty much implied by 'rich country' and 'poor country'.

If you think you'll ever stop imbalance in value and resources
in nations, you're kidding yourself.

And as long as there is that economic inequity, there are bound
to be quality of life issues resulting.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: sideshowbob]
    #4320672 - 06/21/05 12:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

African AMERICANS created rap, those damn frenchies are ripping our fellow countrymen off. Damn "friggers", hah, great word man.


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    #4320696 - 06/21/05 12:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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Plus, the US gives out the most foreign aid, so we can't be doing that shabby.




foreign aid doesn't really help that much.

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    #4320879 - 06/21/05 01:46 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Actually it was jamaicans who started saying poetry over music like drum and base, and americans helped afterward and turned it into what we now know as 'hip-hop'. Personally I would say that jamaicans invented it. And you prove my point exactly when you say that only certain people can listen to certain music. When people stick to their own kind, their own music, their own whatever....it breeds........ignorance.

And yes, of course, people who like hip-hop want to be Americans. Its not that hip-hop is good music. RAP is in France, not because they want to be americans, but because the american record companies sold it to them. Its in many places other than france, that was just an example. My point was that in other countries, its not niggeramericanmusic. its just music. same thing in the 60s...when white people first started playing blues it was in Europe- cause at that time the European-Americans (as opposed to Afrian-Americans) didn't listen to or play blues - to them it was for black people. you could say that the reason they started in Europe was that people in the UK wanted to be like Americans....but honestly, its just cause it was good music. and that sounds a little bit arrogant to me.

America does 'aid' other countries. a lot of that stuff is actual 'aid', but a lot of it isn't. its converting, and business. Why didn't anyone 'aid' rwanda? cause theres no money to be made in it. why do we 'aid' iraq? cause theres money to be made in it. yes we do offer more 'aid' than most places. no one else started a war on terrorism...i guess they just don't care, right? and when you go to these places you see the effects.

Germany was just a name, you could take almost anywhere as an example. As for why America is like that, I said before, we all know why. Few borders is one reason, but still not that many choose to cross the borders. It doesn't really matter why anyway, the result is the same.

This may not be on topic, I just saw that guy get attacked by ignorant people. YES, I agree that spending time thinking about how shitty the world is, is pointless whining. but its still a funny fact that people are dying from obesity, and people are dying from starving as number one causes. I don't see a reason to jump on him for posting that.

As for people saying about how that has always happened etc...yes it has, but its nice as a society - to make progress (i'm not saying that i ever expect the world to be perfect, and i don't go around trying to save the world)...and even if it does get annoying at times, which it does, people who get upset at wrong-doings aren't the people who need to get attacked. and the fact that other people do it, or would do it, or have done it....that doesn't take any guilt off you. it just makes you as bad as them. IF you can make choices. if you can choose to wear clothes that aren't made by children, and you do it anyway...then you're part of the problem.

For the seed thing....if you were starving and uneducated you'd probably do the same thing - people don't want to screw themselves over, they do it out of ignorance. Do fat americans want to die from heart attacks?

Everyone has a part in everything thats done to them, Africans help people take advantage of them. Kind of like a girl that dresses sexy and gets raped. Yeah, she did have something to do with it...but still it doesn't take any blame off the raper. However, if you just blame the guy that raped you, go out to dangerous parts of town again dressing sexy, you might get raped again...



Its actually not true that other countries that are rich are fat. Go to Europe, Canada, certain parts of Asia....rich places where people aren't fat in general, and obesity isn't the number one cause. a lot of third world countries actually have a lot of obesity too. and you may notice, its the poor americans who are the fattest, in general - because they are the most susceptible to the corporations...

America pollutes more, uses more gas, eats more, and over-indulges more than most places. There have been others in history who have done similar things, and you can read about what happened to them.

Now heres another one of my opinions, and these are just that btw - my guess is cause its such a big country, and it was founded the way that it was, so that you get BIG corporations who sell these things to these people. Its a consumer driven country, not because the people are bad - just because they are ignorant and taken advantage of by business men. and since they haven't seen anything else, and are isolated, they don't realize this.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: Redstorm]
    #4320996 - 06/21/05 02:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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The United States has a responsibility to maintain the happiness of it's citizens, regardless of it's affect on other's.




obesity = happiness?
lots of money = happiness?

you know in particularly poor places like Cuba, people seem to be much happier than in America.

and besides, what you said is a good example of the types of attitudes that led the world to be the way it is. "it doesn't matter if what i do has negative effects on others, as long as i get my money."


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    #4321037 - 06/21/05 02:26 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

wake up man, the government is selling you something...that doesn't exist :shocked:

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    #4321457 - 06/21/05 04:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.




So would you rather see the current rich/fat people in a poor/starving situation and the current poor/starving peoples getting rich/fat?

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: California]
    #4321463 - 06/21/05 04:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

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in rich countries the most widespread disease is obesity and in the Third-World the number one cause of death is hunger and malnutrition.




So would you rather see the current rich/fat people in a poor/starving situation and the current poor/starving peoples getting rich/fat?




why not everybody having enough food?

i think it's more than a possibility, if only we restructure things massively economically/agriculturally.


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    #4321510 - 06/21/05 04:41 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Maybe the answer isn't more food, but less people?

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    #4321530 - 06/21/05 04:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i'd agree, to some extent - but i think it is a myth that we have too many people to feed.

check here - http://www.globalissues.org/EnvIssues/Population/Hunger/Feeding.asp for some interesting issues to consider...


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    #4321532 - 06/21/05 04:49 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

you know in particularly poor places like Cuba, people seem to be much happier than in America.

Seem to be? Sounds like you're just saying that because it fits your argument, not because you've got any information that validates it.

A lot of people like to point out that having money does not mean happiness. After all, there are a lot of happy poor people.

Often, as an attempt to justify anti-rich prejudice, or to validate leftist ideas, people will stretch this idea, and claim that money actually causes unhappiness. This idea doesn't have any evidence to support it, but people love to repeat it all over the place.

Sure, there are unhappy rich people, but there are happy ones too. The fact is, money doesn't have a huge effect on happiness. Once you're able to live comfortably, you're about equally likely to be happy with your life as everyone else who can live comfortably.

It's odd how so many people are convinced that the world is in a state of disaster, and that it's a horrific place. There seems to be some general sense that things USED TO BE good, and now we've fucked them up.

I want to know when it was that the world was so nice... because it seems to me that the problems we face today are pretty much the same as the problems we faced eons ago, only with modern twists.

It also seems sometimes like people WANT to live in an unjust, evil, corrupt society. The myth of the rebel underdog has so permeated our society that we all want to be one. We aren't being slaughtered for our religious beliefs, and we aren't slaves forced into labor, so we exagerrate the small annoyances in life. Advertising interrupting your favorite TV shows with irritating jingles? Well, then lets say it's evil subliminal brainwashing, turning us all into sheep for enormous corporations. Now we've got a big ol' enemy that we can attack and pretend to be heroes.


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    #4321704 - 06/21/05 05:37 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

you know in particularly poor places like Cuba, people seem to be much happier than in America.

This is why they risk their lives on inner-tube rafts trying to get to the US.


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    #4321875 - 06/21/05 06:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

From my experience, poor people who aren't in poverty...ARE happier. People who aren't worrying all the time, and who don't let things control them are happier. you can be rich and do that too. but with more money comes more things to worry about. And there is a difference between being poor and in poverty. All excesses become a vice. All vices cause unhappiness. Listen to highlife or west african music, then listen to the popular American music. Listen to reggae, salsa, and latin american music. ITs HAPPY.

I create products. I'm an artist of sorts. People sell them for me. I watch them do it. So I see stupid people buy them for the wrong reasons. It supports my family and I'm not hurting anyone so I don't really care. I've met big business men before, thats where I get my ideas from. I see people selling products, most are just like me. Some get addicted to money, I've seen this too - they go to an extreme and will hurt people to get what they want just like drug addicts. I don't think that there is some conspiracy or evil thing out there. Just people doing there thing. What I do see is that some people just buy this shit, and only think what they're sold. They get taken advantage of. I think in capitalist ways, since as an artist...i am a capitalist of sorts. I sell things, so I understand that business. I don't think its an organized thing.

As an example, just think about the american diet versus other diets in rich countries. like say, sweden, switzerland, new zealand, france, germany......there's a lot less variety in the USA. and a lot less small business. its because of the socio-economic structure of america. thats economics - not some whacked out theory. I know SOO many people who would eat differently if they could, who live in small town america - even in the suburbs. Guess who decides what small towns eat? not the people living there, its the people who sell them food.

In the 70s about 30% of meat sold here was prime. Now the best you can get in stores is choice. Why? when you package shitty meat, instead of saying select on it you say lean. 'hmmm...lean, that looks good, i want to be lean.' this is the market place, and if you don't want to eat shitty meat your whole life it would be good to know what your being sold. talking about it isn't whining.

Its important to know about it and talk about it, so you can avoid it, and be above it as much as you can. I don't let things affect me if I have a choice. I look at this situation and make it work for me and my family.

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Re: how's this for a representation of the state of today's world? [Re: sideshowbob]
    #4321888 - 06/21/05 06:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I just ate a burrito and it made my stomach hurt.


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    #4321895 - 06/21/05 06:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Seem to be? Sounds like you're just saying that because it fits your argument, not because you've got any information that validates it.

A good friend of mine stayed in Cuba for a month a few years ago, and he wouldn't stop talking about how much happier most people there seemed. It was the little things, mostly. People would sing, while walking down the street, and people walking by would join in. People say hello to eachother with a smile. Things like that.

It was enough of an impression that he has told me several times that he has seriously considered moving to Cuba.


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    #4321930 - 06/21/05 06:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

cuba kicks ass! go there as soon as you can. seriously. people there are happier, they just suffur from certain things and can't get good medical care etc. but they are happier in general.

my guess is the ones who come here are running away from someone...or want to live the american way, or want things like medical care etc. for their children. nothing wrong with that either.

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