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niteowl
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: LSDempire]
#4331743 - 06/24/05 09:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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If you think that the way to change the drug laws is to start a revolution.......your just as ignorant as the prohibitionists
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Asante
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: niteowl]
#4331757 - 06/24/05 09:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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ALL synthetic/man-made drugs are DEADLY. They can be used to harm other people. Cannabis is not.
Cannabis causes health problems, ohyeah. The THC in it causes some people to get heart attacks and strokes. Cannabis is involved in many traffic accidents because many hippies like to smoke pot and drive under the influence. When the government Paraquatted marijuana crops the marijuana was simply dried and sold despite the fact that the growes knew it was saturated pesticides. People get killed to defend or sell marijuana crops. Marijuana causes mental health problems.
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Im guessing that you and your grandfather never drank alcohol either, or smoked tobacco
When people say they got a bottle of rye whiskey "for medicinal purposes" everybody knows they're full of shit. But the marijuana fiends actually think they can make the DEA believe that "medicinal purposes" crap! Ha! they got another thing coming!
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How many times do you have to be told that marijuana does NOT have to be smoked.
It does not have to be used at all so I believe you.
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If I were allowed to grow my own marijuana, I would NEVER smoke again.
Do you, or doe you not, own a tie-dye shirt, hippy? "my own marijuana" sounds fishy. You're not one of those reefer-crazed Ozzy Osmond fans are you?
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People smoke it because it has gotten so expensive due to the Drug War that people cant afford to eat it, they have to smoke it.
Back in the days when I was young all the jazz nusicians smoked reefers and a cigarbox full could be had for the price of a packet of smokes. Smokers smoke because the weed makes them too damn lazy to put on the tea kettle. They want it now-now-now.. fiend behavior.
They "have to" smoke it? They HAVE TO because they are addicts in denial. Nobody HAS TO use a dangerous drug in an even more dangerous way just to save a buck, except addicts who cannot afford the weed they need. Thats like saying you have to roll a cigarette from butts in the ashtray because you "like" to smoke. Fiendism and addicticity! (touche)
And pot has become approximately ninehundred times more poisonous with all those nifty smartass growing tactics. Improve the wheat plant, not the weed plant. What a waste of time and effort.
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So if your TRULY concerned about my health......let me grow my own marijuana so I can stop smoking it and start eating it.
I'm so concerned for your health that I think you should not use that weed at all! Its better for your health to do six months of chaingang than to stay on that evil herb. Some months of jailtime will make a man out of you! Tee-hee! You likely can use that, potusers growing breasts an all. Everybody knows that thar weed acts like a female hormone. Did you grow your marijuana bust yet? Marijuana-bust, get it? Oh god I'm so funny there should be a law!
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niteowl
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: Asante]
#4332788 - 06/24/05 02:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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You obviously have absolutely NO idea what your talking about.
You need to stop listening to the governments propaganda....aka, lies....and do some research before you say some of the IGNORANT shit you just regurgitated
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: niteowl]
#4336261 - 06/25/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan Seeker I think that you are going a little overboard on this, people believe what they read and you are getting worse than the drug czar in terms of spewing made up shit (and I understand your purpose, which is necissary to start worthwhile discussion)
The reason marijuana is Schedule I has nothing to do with the FDA anymore. When it originally happened it was more of a racial issue than anything else (kind of like the drug war now, neat huh). The tests done on monkeys then aren't accepted at all by the scientific community because they were constructed in a way to only allow negative effects (and note that they still didnt get permanent brain damage).
There have been three attempts to reschedule marijuana in the past 15 years but each one has been shot down by the DEA. They will not allow any supply of marijuana for FDA testing other than the medi-shit which is extremely low in THC content (around 10 times less potent than what you can get in coffee shops) and full of stems and seeds that medicinal patients would never bother smoking. There is actually a law suit going on in progress, I believe it is NORML that is sueing the DEA
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: lardnar]
#4336318 - 06/25/05 03:15 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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(kind of like the drug war now, neat huh).
Then why do I see criminals of all ages and races being arrested for abusing drugs? If you just watch one or two shows of cops you'll see we're not just targeting black people, we're taking criminals of every type of the street.
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There have been three attempts to reschedule marijuana in the past 15 years but each one has been shot down by the DEA.
The DEA is a well-funded and well-organized organization that looks into every drug and how to deal with it. I believe the DEA knows what it's doing more than a few small lobbying groups and loosely affiliated individuals on the internet.
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: Ravus]
#4336906 - 06/25/05 06:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Ravus said: The DEA is a well-funded and well-organized organization that looks into every drug and how to deal with it. I believe the DEA knows what it's doing more than a few small lobbying groups and loosely affiliated individuals on the internet.
The DEA should be subordinate to the FDA. All plants and drugs should be examined by the FDA first then the DEA can enforce the laws set down by the FDA.
The DEA is just looking at the best way to try to curb "drug use". They care little for the health of America.
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Re: Medical Marijuana [Re: Ravus]
#4394154 - 07/11/05 10:43 PM (18 years, 6 months ago) |
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Ravus said: Medical marijuana should be taken away. It's simply a backdoor way for marijuana addicts to legalize the harmful narcotic.
There's much more effective methods. We've already patented the active chemicals as Marinol, so why would we then allow the smoking of a harmful narcotic like marijuana?
After all, we see the medicinal value of the poppy, so we made medicinal grade morphine. We don't have people in pain smoke opium.
People can overdose by smoking opium, can they do that from pot? Nope....
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OK, here's something I rarely admit on sites like this but I think it can add something to this topic. I am on chemo, i am in constant pain, and there are days I can go without eating due to the effects of chemo. I just read a post that said med. marijuana is just a back door and that there are other drugs that can be used for nausea, pain, etc. Yes, there ARE other drugs that can help (not help as well as marijuana but it helps), but unlike marijuana these drugs are addictive, can kill you, and cause other side effects that you need to take more meds for. now, i hate weed...i hate the high, i hate the paranoid feeling i get, i hate that i can't distingiush between thoughts and what i say, BUT, i love that i am able to hold food down, i love that i am not in the hospital nearly half as much as i used to be before i started smoking it for nausea, and i love that i am off the nausea meds they did have me on. No, people don't smoke morphine, but it is shot through the veins. People who shoot up illegal drugs are looked at as scum in this society (i don't view them that way, but most people do). So, this medical morphine is shot up legally, but if someone shot it up illegally it would be viewed as worse than SMOKING something illegally, right? It is all about perspective and why something is done. If someone needs marijuana legally for medical purposes and they smoke it isn't that better than having someone shot up the other drugs used for pain and nausea? (yes, most nausea meds are injected too). Think about it...
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sometimes i wonder if the war on drugs will ever end and mj will ever be legal some day, hopefully it will. and this whole medical marijuana, i think it has potential and will have a butterfly effect. maybe it will become legal for medicinal useage, then possibly other drugs will be looked into further, then hey their all over the place. But, even if i didn't smoke and never tried, i cant see why marijuana is illegal, i know why it is but im just saying how can a cough medicine with dxm in it be legal if people are using that to get high? There both medicines that can be used "the wrong way". but they should be on the market for medicinal use.
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