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Billy1111
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Another Question That Has Bugged Me...........
#4314640 - 06/19/05 06:04 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I often have conversations with my buddy on this topic...
People talk about Nature as something "other" than man....my thoughts are man is also nature....he is a natural event....so things such as "Global Warming", war , genocides , cities , cars etc are natural ....and we know that nature runs itself perfectly......
sodo u think man is part of nature...if so can his actions and what he builds also beconsidered natural??
sorry if this doesn't make any sense....
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Edited by Billy1111 (06/19/05 06:06 PM)
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314665 - 06/19/05 06:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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We're part of nature, of course, but we're also unique in nature as the only (known) species to achieve sentience, art, music, complex societies, industry, and all the rest.
So while we are part of nature, we're an exceptional part and I think it's fair to say that in some contexts, we're apart from nature.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314735 - 06/19/05 06:31 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Do you believe that everything "man" does is natural?
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Billy1111
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: niteowl]
#4314748 - 06/19/05 06:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
niteowl said: Do you believe that everything "man" does is natural?
if your asking me... yes...i don't think there is anything that is unnatural at this point.....kinda like God=nature and everything is of God no matter how far off the mark we think it is
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314801 - 06/19/05 06:54 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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So the term unnatural has no meaning.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: niteowl]
#4314816 - 06/19/05 06:57 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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not for me.....
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314877 - 06/19/05 07:19 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Man is an animal that is smarter than other animals. If we went away evolution would replace us. We are part of nature....not separate...we carry no more importance than any other part of it. Ego creates this illusion.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314930 - 06/19/05 07:43 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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How could anything not be from nature?
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Icelander]
#4314940 - 06/19/05 07:48 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even synthesized chemicals have natural sources. The concept of natural drugs and vitamins is ludicrous...they are all natural.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4314961 - 06/19/05 07:53 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Being a supplement buyer and salesman, I would have to concur.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Icelander]
#4314968 - 06/19/05 07:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I think people confuse the word natural with the phrase man-made.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4314986 - 06/19/05 08:00 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Definitely. Man is natural, thus anything man creates is natural.
Beavers build dams, yet we don't think of them as "technology".
Termites build mounds, taller than men, but we don't call them "artificial".
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Diploid]
#4314987 - 06/19/05 08:01 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i dont think we even know what natural actually means. i think every1 has a different opinion of what natural is. some people think natural is what god gave us, in the form he gave it to us, and if it is altered by man it is thus unnatural. but others could see it as everything we have on this earth is natural. everything we have god gave us. no matter how we change it, the essence and ingredients are all natural, thus, unnatural does not exsist. its more of an opinion than a fact.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: niteowl]
#4314993 - 06/19/05 08:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
niteowl said: So the term unnatural has no meaning.
A thing doesn't have to "exist" to have meaning. The concept itself is definable and holds meaning, whether it "exists" in reality or not.
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4315039 - 06/19/05 08:21 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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"... even unnatural, is natural!" -Unknown :P
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4315061 - 06/19/05 08:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Since man is natural and everything that a man does is natural, then it is perfectly natural that man considers himself to not be a part of nature, isn't it?
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Gomp]
#4315073 - 06/19/05 08:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even odd is natural....(?)
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: PhanTomCat]
#4315081 - 06/19/05 08:36 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Odd happens in nature, it happens to natural beings, so it is natural
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Billy1111]
#4315125 - 06/19/05 08:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Even odd! :P he-he (my uncles name is Odd)
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Re: Another Question That Has Bugged Me........... [Re: Gomp]
#4315173 - 06/19/05 09:02 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I know somone named Steven....
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