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Wronguy
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: pcubmycol]
#4317222 - 06/20/05 01:56 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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That's not really the point Pcubmycol. The point I was making is that you don't need to spend a bunch of money to yield good results. I'll even say great results. My total setup cost me about $22.00, not including spores. That's a cost of $2.44 per dry ounce, per flush.
I have absolutely nothing against the people who prefer to spend extra money and time cultivating. More power to them.
My point is that there is another way to cultivate without the time and expense of complete automated setups. The Single/Double Tub teks afford similar results.
If we are going to start discussing the merits of how to increase your yields by an ounce or two, leave me out of it. It's a moot point in my opinion.
I respect everyone's opinion here, but I cannot subscribe to cultivating methods that yield negligible differences.
Good luck to all.
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scatmanrav
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: Wronguy]
#4317291 - 06/20/05 02:17 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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>My point is that there is another way to cultivate without the time and expense of complete automated setups. The Single/Double Tub teks afford similar results.
But your point, is often blown out of proportion when you talk about things. You talk about spending 300,000 dollars, or even hundreds of dollars....all it takes is a 5 dollar cool mist to improve the single tub setup, not hundreds, or incredible mycoskill.
If you like the DT, thats all fine and good, its a fine Tek...but not everyone is in it to do things the easy way. Your very pushy that the tek is better then others because its easy and you dont need to spend alot of money when there are many that you spend just as much, or 5-10 bucks more for a different design that is an improvment in mine and others opinions.
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Wronguy
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: scatmanrav]
#4317641 - 06/20/05 04:05 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Hey Scatman, I appreciate your opinion in this matter. I try not to push the tek, but rather give people different opinions on different grow methods. The $300,000 inference was to point out that there are always better ways. He was pointing out the obvious.
I'm not trying to knock anybody's grow setup, just trying to put facts out there. When I first started on the forum, I thought that a fully automated setup was the only way to go for good yields. I went out and spent a good $125.00 dollars on everything I needed.
I bought a greenhouse $20.00, Ultrasonic humidifier $30.00, Coolmist humidifier $15.00, Rope lights $30.00, Timer $19.99, PVC $5.00, Bottom tub for water drip $5.00. It took me 1-2 hours for the setup and the results did not impress me.
If I had known that there was an easier method out there that costs a fraction of the price, I would not have wasted my time with the other setup.
If people want to improve on the tek, so be it. I'm trying to tell people that it's not required, because it's not. I can understand the frustration that goes on when people spend money on a setup and find out that something else works for less money. I own 5 water heaters, so I know what I'm talking about. I currently use only 1.
It's pretty rare that I push the teks unless the thread is dedicated to it's use, so I don't know where that's coming from. It seems like I am being bashed because I am an advocate for something so simple. I have experience, not extensive experience, but experience with this tek and enjoy helping people who want to try it.
I'm not in the business of jacking the threads of people who are already growing using their tek of choice. If someone poses a question on "What tek should I use", I'll state my opinion. I certainly don't go around telling people that their tek isn't going to work because someone is using something else.
This thread is about the hole placement using the single tub tek and other questions raised regarding it's application. Someone interjecting their opinion on why this tek doesn't work adequately, in their opinion, doesn't help the person who started this thread.
I remember you coming down on some people because they were doing the same thing on other threads.
I have a great deal of respect for you Scatman. You have helped me out in the past. I'm simply trying to return the favor.
P.S. Where the hell did you find a coolmist for $5.00?
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pcubmycol
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: scatmanrav]
#4317674 - 06/20/05 04:16 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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scatmanrav said: >My point is that there is another way to cultivate without the time and expense of complete automated setups. The Single/Double Tub teks afford similar results.
But your point, is often blown out of proportion when you talk about things. You talk about spending 300,000 dollars, or even hundreds of dollars....all it takes is a 5 dollar cool mist to improve the single tub setup, not hundreds, or incredible mycoskill.
If you like the DT, thats all fine and good, its a fine Tek...but not everyone is in it to do things the easy way. Your very pushy that the tek is better then others because its easy and you dont need to spend alot of money when there are many that you spend just as much, or 5-10 bucks more for a different design that is an improvment in mine and others opinions.
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: pcubmycol]
#4317695 - 06/20/05 04:20 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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thremix said: SO0o..... how about the 5 bucks? you know I am good for it?
are you serious?
augustin, id say that if some of us had enough money and space, more than a small percentage of us could do a 12-14oz grow in a single container... Id be willing to bet that this would do it.... Only use half size holes with the tek you used... then run a coolmist 15min on 2hrs off(or w/e the optimal would be, id have to do some reading/experimenting)... i would think that'd be enough to give enough rise to oxygen and humidity that your setup would've gone from 9oz first flush to at least 10 maybe more.
No lol just playing, I think he knew that.Whats the worst that could happen though? I might of just gotten 5 bucks? lol then I could have bought more verm!
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: thremix]
#4317710 - 06/20/05 04:25 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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just thought it was odd. but you're right... you're going to need that verm sooner or later.
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thremix
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: pcubmycol]
#4317725 - 06/20/05 04:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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or I could have bought the 5 buck humidifier that some one said they found? just trying to add some GOOD humer in here I dont like it when people fight, Unless I get 5 bucks out of it?!
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Wronguy
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: thremix]
#4317751 - 06/20/05 04:34 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Scatman and I get along pretty well, so don't mistake our crossfire as anything but ranting. He's just sticking up for the little guy.
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: pcubmycol]
#4317773 - 06/20/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I find pcubmycol is always bashing someone for something. He always acts like he is bigger and better than anybody. I do not care for that. Just my two cents.
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: Wronguy]
#4317798 - 06/20/05 04:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Wronguy >P.S. Where the hell did you find a coolmist for $5.00?
you can find amazing things on ebay... not sure if thats where he got it from and you usually suffer s&h costs but once in a while you get lucky and get out of a $15 shipping cost cause the seller lives in your area.
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thremix
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: prefloppro]
#4317801 - 06/20/05 04:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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just 498 cents to go lol.
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: thremix]
#4318703 - 06/20/05 09:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I've gotten one from ebay, was 2 dollars, plus 6 shipping, and I found 2 afterwords for 5 dollars each at a thrift store.
I didnt answer the original poster, because I felt all his questions were answered. However a debate began, and its not the first I've seen recently. I've seen a few times people bring up points on the method and I see comments like:
>I think you'll find that only a small percentage of people on this forum are able to yield 12-14 ounces out of single container grow.
Which is misleading, because many people dont put that much poo into a single container, but its not hard to get those yields on any tek, including a bulk tek, and its not hard to get more out of your substrate.
and >The fresh air exchange is more than adequate in my experience. As pcubmycol said, my first flush of 9 ounces proves that.
Which is untrue, a weight of 9 ounces doesnt prove anything. The B/E you got was normal for horse poo, on the low side even for the amount of substrate used. Many flushes elsewhere prove that.
Sorry, I dont mean to sound argumentative and I shouldnt even really bring this up, your right, you do discuss it on topic, its just that you always make it seem as if what you do is optimal, it may be just fine for you, but that doesnt mean its for everyone. I think from responses that you've gotten alot of people besides myself also feel thats what your trying to say.
Me, I put a couple of shelves and lights in a closet and threw up a 7 dollar tarp...plus some tubs, its only a 30 dollar setup or so, and its quite efficient for the substrate I use. Of course I've spent hundreds and hundreds too, just like you. I've got airpumps, geolite, perlite, airwands, thermometers, heaters, tubs, cool mists, vaporizors, warm mists, ultrasonics...more crap then you would imagine, all useless.
But there are multiple teks out there, all work very well for the price, if you only buy what you need, depending on your needs and goals.
I'll end this now though...again, dont take what I say to much, I'm just a little bitchy today because my roommates girlfriends been snatching my buds from my jars...the nice jar too
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: scatmanrav]
#4318748 - 06/20/05 09:27 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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this wont be long. Wronguy has a tek that works, it is cheap and easy, and it works when some one want to know a quick, easy tek that works, and he happens to be around, um.... well you get it?
If you knew a lot about small dogs and some one was asking about dogs and witch kind to get that would be easy to maintain, what would you say? Well that's it I don't want to get in to it sorry just don't like where this thread is going.
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: scatmanrav]
#4318757 - 06/20/05 09:29 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'll end this now though...again, dont take what I say to much, I'm just a little bitchy today because my roommates girlfriends been snatching my buds from my jars...the nice jar too
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scatmanrav
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4318862 - 06/20/05 09:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I really am probably just being a dick today because of that...everyone should ignore any negativity from me.... just kinda pisses me off when you trust someone to live in your home and they do shit like this.. Sorry Aug
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Re: single tub question about hole size... *DELETED* [Re: scatmanrav]
#4319556 - 06/21/05 01:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Re: single tub question about hole size... [Re: Semilanceata]
#4319906 - 06/21/05 08:14 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Very true, poo will produce easily in most conditions...I guess thats also what I was trying to say...I mean this tub, has no holes, was left closed all the time, I opened the lid a dozen times quickly to fan once every day or two, no misting, ambiant light. This is just straw too, no poo...and still...
That doesnt prove this has great air exchange or anything, all it proves is cubies dont need much of shit to grow...
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