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Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn?
    #4311281 - 06/18/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

hi everyone, i have just found what i believe to be Panaeolus subbalteatus growing on my grassy lawn. are there any poisonous look alikes to this species? i am posting a few pictures i took after bringing some up to my house. i live in western vermont, about a mile from the connecticut river. it has been raining for several days with very few breaks, so the ground here is very moist. i noticed these a few hours after the rain ended, and they definately cought my eye. tell em what you think based on these pictures, and if you need more details i would be happy to describe it more. thanks alot.









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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn? [Re: pothead420]
    #4311334 - 06/18/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they look like panaeolina foenisecii.

take a spore print, if its jet black, they are subbs, if its brown at all, its pan foes.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn? [Re: pothead420]
    #4311372 - 06/18/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I bet they're foes too.

Ditto what SD said  :thumbup:


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn? [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #4311429 - 06/18/05 07:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

They dont look like Panaeolina or Panaeolus subbalteatus.
Probably an inactive species of Panaeolus.
Maybe Pan. papilionaceus, but the caps appear [too] dark brown in the pics.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn? [Re: pothead420]
    #4311433 - 06/18/05 07:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Those be Panaeolina foensecii. Inactive.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus on my lawn? [Re: Gumby]
    #4311631 - 06/18/05 08:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well the spore print is finsished. it looks pretty black, tell me what you think.



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Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: pothead420]
    #4311652 - 06/18/05 08:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

if they turn out to be Panaeolus subbalteatus, which i think they may be after taking a spore print, how much should i eat dried or fresh? i normally take a dried 8th of cubensis, so how does Panaeolus subbalteatus potency compare? thanks alot


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: pothead420]
    #4311666 - 06/18/05 08:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

those prints are clearly not black. those are panaeolina foenisecii. inactive.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4311680 - 06/18/05 08:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they actually are black, that picture isnt very accurate. it looks like black ink. if i eat them, and take the risk that they are panaeolina foenisecii, what is the worst that could happen? are any of the lookalikes poisonous? if panaeolina foenisecii isnt poisonous i will try eating some because i would hate to see all those hundreds of caps in my yard die if they are active. how much should i try?


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: pothead420]
    #4311693 - 06/18/05 08:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well if your sure they are black (they arent black in those photos), then they are probably pan subbs, although the stem doesn't appear to be a subbs either. If they are infact subbs and your looking to feel effects from them, I would say 30-50 large specimens for a good experience.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: CptnGarden]
    #4312363 - 06/19/05 12:44 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Those arent Panaeolus subbalteatus judging from the pics. A black spore print only proves that they are Panaeolus (and the spore print is very cleary brown in the photos).


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4312589 - 06/19/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

those are without a doubt pan foes, im just letting him think hes cool with his imaginary black prints :wink:

hey pothead heres a spore comparison chart



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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: Lysergic_Milkman]
    #4313039 - 06/19/05 04:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Coprinus and Arnellaria are also black spored mushrooms.


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Re: Panaeolus subbalteatus potency... [Re: mjshroomer]
    #4313195 - 06/19/05 08:08 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That spore print is as brown as it'll get. You should print every specimen you have because you'll probably get some more black ones. Once you see a black one compared to a brown one you'll always be able to tell. (don't yell at me if your camera/scanner has actually created an inaccurate image but try looking at it under white light.)


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