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OfflineMekyle7
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Using Tums to raise the Ph?
    #4310796 - 06/18/05 02:29 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hey everyone - this is my first time growing and I was wondering how important it would be to get oyster shell or limestone for a 50/50 mix? I went to 6 stores and couldnt find oyster shell or limestone so I was thinking of using tums. They are just sugar and calcium carbonate...

I also havent completely decided what I want to do. I have 4 half pint jars of fully colonized brf/verm now and want to get them started. Just some moist perlite on the bottom and 50/50 on top? What (in your opinion) is the best substrate depth/ratio? Should I dunk before casing? I know there is no solid answers but Id like to know what experienced people are doing/I realllly dont want to have to start over. Thanks :smile:


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4310849 - 06/18/05 02:49 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Oh - do I need to sterilize the peat moss/vermiculite and perlite? Such a bitch :/


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4310864 - 06/18/05 02:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

i have been doing pf cakes for a while.... moving on to grains as we speak. i have had great sucess with 50/50 tek - (search that for depth ratio's) but i have also had great sucess with even pinsets off pf cakes. i dunk/coldshock at the same time. i have a little mini fridge, and the top of it can hold 18 cakes.
-What i do is i use the same jar that the cake was grown in to coldshock/dunk. i use Ball plastic lids with no holes. Scrape off the 1" layer of dry verm and discard.... then fill the jar to the top with normal tap water. Immediately place plastic lid on, and place in a dark fridge for 24hrs.


* once 24 hrs is up... take em out and drain the water out of the jars using the cap (so the cake doesn't slide out) then you can crumble the cake up into marble size pieces, and place in your casing tray. (notice some bruising of the cake where you scratched it with spoon, bluish bruises)

* my casing mix consists of
-Bottom: moist Perlite
-Middle: marble size substrate pieces
-Top: 50/50 casing mix verm/peat + 1 box of crushed oyster shells
(oyster shells can be obtained at the pet store for a reasonable price, used for making birds eggs stronger).
----4 cakes can make a nice casing tray. i used 5 on this pic, and got many many fruits.


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4310865 - 06/18/05 02:54 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have a Petsmart around? They carry oyster shells. Go to any old bird/aquarium store for that.

Also, type in "garden stores in [your town here]" in Google and start down the list, calling until you find one that carries Hi Yield lime.

Those are the two steps I took and they SHOULD work for you.

I don't know about TUMS, I'm a newb.

I did about 4:1 casing layer to substrate ratio and that was too much. I think 3:1 is recommended.

And yes, you must sterilize the peat moss/verm. If you're doing a casing, use a small layer of verm on the bottom of the casing. Don't worry about sterilizing that though.


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: GatorB]
    #4310870 - 06/18/05 02:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Hey oatman, doesn't it seem kind of futile to dunk/roll cakes if you're just gonna case them? I thought that was done to help initiate pinning, which is not what you want when you case?


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311017 - 06/18/05 04:11 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Aright I need to go get lids without holes. There isnt much room in my jars because the mycelium colonized the dry verm...Cut some off? They dont completely fill the jar but there is only about 1/2" space.

I actually went to Petsmart first and they didnt have it - maybe it was Petco. Yeah Im thinking tums would be a bad idea now and I would probably need a lot.

Why would I sterilize the top mix but not the bottom...? Im gunna do perlite on the bottom anyway. What purpose does sterlizing the casing solve? It has a high risk of contams immediately after it is removed from whatever method you used to sterilize. And it stays exposed continuously...


I went to dunk/put my colonized cakes in the fridge. They arent colonized inside at all. It was just nasty brown pulp. Like oversaturated vermiculite with diluted milk. I realized I could take off a little dry verm that wasnt colonized and went to do that. Found the gross mushy cereal center. Is it supposed to be white inside? These cakes have been colonized on the outside for 5 days now and I injected in the middle rather than on the edges of the jar. What the fuck?...


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311025 - 06/18/05 04:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I checked five minutes after filling and it looks like vermiculite again. The thick white color on the outside is now transparent...

Normal?

...I put the rest of the jars back in to colonize more...


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311155 - 06/18/05 05:13 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

arf?...:bump: helppp


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311159 - 06/18/05 05:15 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Throw em back in the incubator but to me it sounds like they're too wet in the middle.


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311166 - 06/18/05 05:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

check the pet stores for calci-sand, it is in the reptile section. will work fine.
not sure about the center being like that someone else might.
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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311167 - 06/18/05 05:20 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Dammit thats what happened to first time. I only used tinfoil to cover the holes. This time I used electric tape then tinfoil, how the hell could more moisture have gotten in? Well thats what I did anyway. One is in the fridge as a test...


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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: Mekyle7]
    #4311174 - 06/18/05 05:22 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

how much did you inject into them?
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Re: Using Tums to raise the Ph? [Re: backupwards]
    #4313288 - 06/19/05 09:49 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Around 1 cc per jar, a little less...


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