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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: mntlfngrs]
    #4360059 - 07/01/05 02:49 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Mars Volta:
Take Sonic Youth, take away any semblance of artistic talent, take away brilliant musical theory, take away guitar/bass musicianship, and add a bit of emo.
I sort of detest them actualy.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4360637 - 07/01/05 05:27 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

haha that is such an inaccurate description of their music. sure, hate them all you want, but you missed the ball there.


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #4361541 - 07/01/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

check out my profile "countchoculabox"

mars volta gives me the runs.

Wait. no mars volta makes me shake my body.


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: ajna]
    #4361660 - 07/01/05 11:07 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

ajna said:
haha that is such an inaccurate description of their music. sure, hate them all you want, but you missed the ball there.



Oh did I?

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4362223 - 07/02/05 02:05 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, you did. It's alright, we're all wrong lots of times.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: Viveka]
    #4362241 - 07/02/05 02:24 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I'd love some clarification on why I am wrong.
I just listened to the Sonic Youth album, Confusion is Sex, followed by their albums in order up to Daydream Nation.  Then Murray Street and Goo.  Then my Mars Volta album.  Strikingly different... :rolleyes:

Edited by TheCow (07/02/05 02:25 AM)

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #4362269 - 07/02/05 02:38 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

The Mars Volta has a uniqueness all of thier own. It's hard to put them in any catagory or even compare them to anybody.
Some people like them some don't...to each their own.

Don't hate those who disagree. Just respect others' opinions.
This is not directed towards anyone in particular.


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #4362275 - 07/02/05 02:45 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

Desiree said:
  The Mars Volta has a uniqueness all of thier own. It's hard to put them in any catagory or even compare them to anybody.



:stoned:

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4362279 - 07/02/05 02:47 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Reminds me of the white people who proclaimed that Pat Boone sounded like nothing else.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4363217 - 07/02/05 01:46 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

TheCow said:
Mars Volta:
Take Sonic Youth, take away any semblance of artistic talent, take away brilliant musical theory, take away guitar/bass musicianship, and add a bit of emo.
I sort of detest them actualy.




Those statements are so opposite of reality that i think you have to be joking...but your not. hmm

1. artistic talent?  I think they have plenty. Their music is some of the most unique anti-pop type of music out there. It's a completely fresh sound that they created by fusing lots of different music together.

2. Music Theory - i'm starting to think you've never even heard TMV before. They go through more time signature changes in one song than sonic youth goes through in a whole album. TMV flows effortlessly through signatures that are extremely complex.

3. Their musicianship is awesome imo. He's not the most technical guitarist on the planet but he's very creative and it's actually his sloppy abrasive style that i like so much. He can improvise, play in strange signature, solo well, and come up with bizarre chord progressions. Flea played on the first album, yeah he blows  :rolleyes:

I think comparing them to sonic youth is ridiculous. sonic youth was unique and ground breaking because there was nothing like them at the time (much like TMV) but to suggest that they were these master musicians is laughable. Brilliant theory? how is three power chords and some feedback noises brilliant theory? Personally i think Volta blows them out of the water.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: Vex]
    #4363510 - 07/02/05 03:24 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

:yesnod:

:headbang:


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #4363965 - 07/02/05 05:45 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Ares love Volta.

:heart:


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: AbstractHarmonix]
    #4364264 - 07/02/05 07:37 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Seriously

Song "Eria Tarka" is just so fucking killer. Can barely handle it.


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4364427 - 07/02/05 08:36 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

I like how you don't even give the name of The Mars Volta album but yet you list what, three Sonic albums? It clearly shows you have a terribly biased opinion and it matter not what anyone says or how you listen to TMV, you will not like them because you have something against them. I laugh when I see people block themselves mentally like this.

Good job with the closed and already made up mind.  :thumbup:


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: mecreateme]
    #4364471 - 07/02/05 08:56 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

IIIIIIII'MMMM DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEFFFEECTINNN!!!!!!!


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4364871 - 07/02/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

""Inertiatic ESP", Comatorium's first real song, stands out as the only memorable track, probably due to its succinct, 4?-minute runtime. Afterward, every song follows a pattern: roar out of the gate with the main riff, stop suddenly, float in reverby space where one can hear the smoke machines and laser shows, bring back the opening riff with added guitars noodling away, slurp up the noise in a sucking sound, hit the pachanga 'n' guitar solo movement, slowly fade in a swarm of dub effects, and, BAM, repeat step one. Think of a San Diego hardcore band. Think of ALL of the San Diego hardcore bands at once whipping through ELP's "Karn Evil 9" without practice."-Pitchfork Media
They just strike me as a band who wants so desperately to be taken seriously as artistic.
I do apologize for not listing the name of the album, but it is of course De-Loused in the Comatorium. After relistining to this album to try and see what the big deal is, I can say that the bass lines are somewhat interesting. As a new bass owner I can appreciate that, not as complex as you maybe are making it out to be, but still interesting. As far as time signatures, frankly I dont know what you mean. Some songs have parts that arent in 4/4 I would agree, but if you have ever played music I am sure you know this is not something particularly striking. It is not as if they have the gusto of the Allman brothers to each be playing in a different rhythm and then link up at points and drop out.
I think it is also clear that we both have biases, claiming that Sonic Youth is merely three chords with distortion is as silly to me as my arguments are to you.
Relisten to Daydream Nation, and their instrumental parts, if you dont immediately notice similarities then I frankly dont know what else to say. Listen to Murray Street, their sort of free jazzish album, and listen to their instrumentals. Take away all of the studio tricks from the mars volta and I would have to agree with pitchfork media, fairly average band.
For someone to claim to me that this band sounds like nothing else, just sort of annoys me on several levels.
One level is that it just ignores all of the people that came before who were more inventive and pushed limits so that the average 'indie' listener would be able to listen to watered down versions many years later.
Listen to Captain Beefhearts album Trout Mask Replica, do you love that? I personally find it quite ahead of its time.
Listen to Sister Ray, do you love that anywhere near as much?
On a tangent, I was recently debating with a friend the relevency of Bjork. I find much of her stuff to be directly related to Milton Babbit, and composers around his time. And when I played some stuff by these composers to my friend, he claimed it was vastly different. Whatever.
My main problem with this band is they have no soul or meaning to their incesent instrumental ramblings. John Coltranes album Ascension is one of the wildest albums I know of, but it is wild in a very real and emotionally scary and enlightening way. This Mars Volta album does nothing for me. Sure Maybe some instrumental parts are interesting, but where is the depth.
If it does it for you, hey cool, personally I find it to be just one more brick in the wall.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4364872 - 07/02/05 11:30 PM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Eh Ignore that.

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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: TheCow]
    #4365212 - 07/03/05 01:17 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

Why do you say ignore it? I see where you're coming from.

It's just that most of the time when I listen to the Mars Volta I find myself compelled to stand up and dance and sing like it's the day I'm gonna die. They get you, they hook you in. It's psychological.


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: RedNucleus]
    #4365411 - 07/03/05 02:31 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

There was a frail syrup dripping off
His lap danced lapel, punctuated by her
Decrepit prowl she washed down the hatching
Gizzard soft as a mane of needles
His orifice icicles hemmoraged
By combing her torso to a pile
Perspired the trophy shelves made room for his collapse
She was a mink handjob in sarcophagus heels


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Re: The Mars Volta [Re: Adamist]
    #4365419 - 07/03/05 02:34 AM (18 years, 8 months ago)

When all the worms come
Crawlin out of your head
Telling you
Don?t be afraid
When all the worms come
Crawlin out of your head
Telling you
Don?t be afraid


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