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InvisibleZippoZM
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im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you tink
    #4304823 - 06/16/05 07:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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READ THIS
You did not print this, no one in you house printed this?



You wireless network is un-secured. Anyone with a computer and a little know how can use your internet connection and access your personal files even print on your printer.





Lucky for you I am not one of those people I am not accessing your files or using your connections, I am a Network security specialist and I can help you secure your network so that no one can access your computer?s connections or information again.


If you would like your network secured please call XXX_XXX_XXXX




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this is what im going to pe prionting on their printers. is it illegal?

comments sugestions.
im thinkking im going to charge them $100 to secure their networks.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304838 - 06/16/05 07:49 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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prionting ??




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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: vinsue]
    #4304896 - 06/16/05 08:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

printing


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304902 - 06/16/05 08:10 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

isnt that illegal in the first place...?

i'm sure it is


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: vinsue]
    #4304905 - 06/16/05 08:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What phone number do you plan on leaving?

If this happened to me; I'd call my lawyer/cops to see if I could bring some sort of charges up against for hacking into my network.  Then I'd call tech support and have them help me secure my network for free.

:smile:  j/k.  In all honesty though, I wouldn't pay the money.  Be careful as some people might store sensitive information on their comps and be a little pissed.  Of course, you would think those that had anything like that on their comp would already have it secure.  I'd advise the scheme but hey, you may make some cash.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304907 - 06/16/05 08:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Extortion? Line fraud? Greed?

Am I missing it? Which one of those is the good idea?


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304917 - 06/16/05 08:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

its just an offer... no different than sending someone a fax in reality....
i mean open phone line to acess, open network.. same deal ya know?

i was going to get an unregistered cell phone or just leave an e-mail. although im sure that some people will call right away while im walking down the street with my laptop... so that will work good.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304925 - 06/16/05 08:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The point of your post being?



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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: vinsue]
    #4304928 - 06/16/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is VERY illegal. Just because you hack someones network and don't do any damage doesn't mean you aren't breaking the law.

Combine that with a request for money and that's extortion.

If you want to get into computer security, put an add in the paper or something. Of course, that's not the fun way of doing it, but alot less illegal.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ivi]
    #4304932 - 06/16/05 08:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

just asking what you all think. this is a pretty grea area legally if you ask me.
i was pulled over, (well i was allready parked) while using someones wireless network in town. the cops didnt understand how i could be on the internet wirelessly... and thought that i was using it as an excuse to pick through peoples garbage and commit id theft. a car search later, they let me go.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304935 - 06/16/05 08:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think you have a looooong way ahead of you until you can ask money from people as a network security specialist.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ivi]
    #4304943 - 06/16/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

why?
i can use their network, and get into it and print a page on their printer, i think that is all the qualification that the network owners will need... really if they have an un-secured network.... then they dont know shit, and im as pro as they are going to get.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304948 - 06/16/05 08:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

if I leave my house door unlocked and you walk in to sell me a lock, you are still trespassing


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: goobler]
    #4304953 - 06/16/05 08:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

yeah that would be with a physical entrance to your house. if i send you a fax and it prints on a phone line that you had connected, its business.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304969 - 06/16/05 08:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)



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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4304978 - 06/16/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

illegally stealing services is not the same as telemarketing.

good idea, potentially bad outcome.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4305051 - 06/16/05 08:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The law's pretty specific about this. Any unauthorized access to a network is considered illegal. Even open wireless access points/routers. Lack of security doesn't justify anything, let alone an attempt to sell your services.

As for what I think... About the only services you're going to be selling is this :humpme: for a pack of cigarettes once you find yourself in a federal pen. :grin:

If you know enough, work as a freelance consultant for home users. If you're worth your salt and charge a reasonable fee, you'll have more than enough customers through word of mouth alone. No need to resort to something that will just get you nailed sooner or later. Even with a throwaway cell, all they need to do is set up a "consulting session" and sting you when you arrive.

Take it easy.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: bwalker]
    #4305089 - 06/16/05 09:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)


"The law's pretty specific about this. Any unauthorized access to a network is considered illegal. Even open wireless access points/routers. Lack of security doesn't justify anything, let alone an attempt to sell your services."

what law is that, i would like to see the actual text on it. im sure that it was drafted for a corporate sort of level thing. and that it would be a federal law.....

and when they setup their networks the instalation wizards will ask you if oyu want to set a password and that if you dont your network can be acessesd, legaly that could be an arguing point in court that the acess was authorised.


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"in times of widespread chaos and confusion, it has been the duty of more advanced human beings - artists, scientists, clowns, and philosophers - to create order. In such times as ours however, when there is too much order, too much m management, too much programming and control, it becomes the duty of superior men and women and women to fling their favorite monkey wrenches into the machinery. To relieve the repression of the human spirit, they must sow doubt and disruption"

"People do it every day, they talk to themselves ... they see themselves as they'd like to be, they don't have the courage you have, to just run with it."


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4305385 - 06/16/05 10:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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zippoz said:
what law is that, i would like to see the actual text on it. im sure that it was drafted for a corporate sort of level thing. and that it would be a federal law.....




Certainly: http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/cybercrime/1030NEW.htm

And no, the terminology used in the law states: the term "person" means any individual, firm, corporation, educational institution, financial institution, governmental entity, or legal or other entity.

Whether the entity happens to be corporate or a private individual, it is still considered a felony due to the use of a wire which may transmit data over state lines.

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and when they setup their networks the instalation wizards will ask you if oyu want to set a password and that if you dont your network can be acessesd, legaly that could be an arguing point in court that the acess was authorised.




No, unless it's specifically authorized either through written or verbal consent, you're not going to get far arguing that authorization was implied. That warning to a network user serves as just that, a warning.

As someone else used as an example, just because someone chose to not put a lock on the door won't give you any legal standing for breaking in and leaving a flyer.

I'm not going to say to take my word on it; I'm through with IT/IS. Talk to a lawyer or someone who still works in IS. There's no legal grey area in what you're talking about, sorry.


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Re: im going to try and hack peoples networks and printers, and make them give me money what do you [Re: ZippoZ]
    #4305408 - 06/16/05 10:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Hmm...you're kinda in a legal gray area, methinks. Better not try it - you could get some grief from it....


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