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Israel-US relations 'in crisis'
    #4302959 - 06/16/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)





http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/4092646.stm

Last Updated: Wednesday, 15 June, 2005, 07:32 GMT 08:32 UK 

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Israel-US relations 'in crisis' 

Yuval Steinitz believes the US demands are illegitimate
Israeli arms sales to China have provoked a "crisis" in relations with the US, according a senior Israeli parliamentary official.
Yuval Steinitz, chairman of the parliamentary foreign affairs and defence committee, made the remarks in an interview on Israel radio.

The sales have angered the US government which fears its own technology may could be used against Taiwan.

The US provides $2bn (?1.1bn) of military aid to Israel every year.

Washington has refused to negotiate with Israel on the issue of the Chinese arms deal for months.

The US has also imposed sanctions on the Israeli defence industry, according to media reports.

It has suspended several joint weapons and technology projects with Israel, the reports say.


'Independence'

Israel has supplied China with Harpy Killer unmanned attack drones, designed to target radar systems.

"There is a crisis that has been going on for almost a year," Mr Steinitz told Israel Radio.

"There is no doubt that relationship with the United States is critical to Israel. But, with all the enormous importance of US diplomatic, economic and military help, Israel must keep its independence and also some reciprocity in this relationship," he added.

"This is an illegitimate demand which also has an aspect of humiliation to it," he said. "We cannot agree to everything."






If Israel really wanted to show its independence, how about this? Give back the $2bn in aid.

Hmm, "Happy Killer unmanned attack drones"  :lol:


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4303258 - 06/16/05 12:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

In aid to whom?


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4304313 - 06/16/05 05:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Good, we need to let Israel be swallowed up by the other Middle East countries. All they are is a money vacuum anyways.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4304558 - 06/16/05 06:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'd love to see the US stop funding Israel and the Israeli government being overthrown by Arab countries. But Israel would use it's illegal nukes in self-defense and leave the entire region a wasteland.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: bukkake]
    #4304623 - 06/16/05 06:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't think it would. No matter how ridiculous they are, I still believe they are a rational actor and would not want to see the end of the world. I may be underestimating those sneaky Jews, though. :wink:


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4304635 - 06/16/05 06:48 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Good news. Let the crisis begin.

Though yeah, I think bukkake is right on (never though I'd say that).
I have to think that after North Korea, Isreal is probably the nation most willing to use nukes. Imagine if the US ever got the balls to even raise an eyebrow over that.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Gijith]
    #4304859 - 06/16/05 07:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

They would probably take over the middle east. You people know they can do it, they did it before in self defense, they can do it again and probably better if they plan it out.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: bukkake]
    #4305075 - 06/16/05 08:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

How are Israels (alleged) nukes "illegal"?


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: SoopaX]
    #4305152 - 06/16/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Illegay = Illegal?

I think it's b/c they won't disclose the details of their nuclear program or even confirm or deny whether or not one exists. That's the only reason I could think of.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Gijith]
    #4305559 - 06/16/05 10:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Though yeah, I think bukkake is right on (never though I'd say that).




:grin:


Why do I get the impression that not being pals with Isreal is a good thing?





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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4306146 - 06/17/05 01:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Just because it's a secret doesn't mean it's illegal :smile:


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: SoopaX]
    #4306166 - 06/17/05 01:49 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Technically, the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty is supposed to be the law governing this sort of behavior. Unfortunately for all those who advocate international law (myself not included), Israel has just by chance declined to sign the treaty.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Redstorm]
    #4306179 - 06/17/05 01:52 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Their isn't really a law that governs what nations can do, other than the US of course. World Police that we are. And I think we''ve got to many -Steins, -mans and -bergs in our upper echelons to turn our back on Israel.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: SoopaX]
    #4306208 - 06/17/05 01:56 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Bah, I don't think so. I think it just makes too much logical sense that when our biggest threat are Arab countries and militants from those countries, we could easily take a step away from Israel to appease them.

I think Israel's importance in out foreign policy is improportionate to any benefits it can grant to us.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Learyfan]
    #4306701 - 06/17/05 05:48 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Learyfan said:
Quote:

Though yeah, I think bukkake is right on (never though I'd say that).




:grin:


Why do I get the impression that not being pals with Isreal is a good thing?








I totally agree. I think the arabs would lay off the US a lot if we cut all alliance with Israel..

The nukes are a problem though...


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
    #4307104 - 06/17/05 12:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If we don't support them then Israel will be destroyed with all the Jews or Israel will have to go on the offensive and teach the arabs again that Israeli Jews are not to be fucked with.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: psilomonkey]
    #4309628 - 06/18/05 01:17 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Israel has suckled on the teats of the American Taxpayers long enough. It's time to stop wet nursing, they can take care of themselves - if not, tough shit.


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Re: Israel-US relations 'in crisis' [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4310240 - 06/18/05 08:04 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Prosgeopax said:
Israel has suckled on the teats of the American Taxpayers long enough. It's time to stop wet nursing, they can take care of themselves - if not, tough shit.




Israel has the most powerful and effective military in the Middle East. They also have nukes (or at least everybody thinks that). Even without U.S. economic and military aid, they could whip all of the Arab nations at the same time (like they have done before) with one arm restrained.


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