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OfflineGringoLoco
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House votes to limit Patriot Act
    #4300490 - 06/15/05 06:57 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Gotten from that great legitimate news source, Yahoo news!

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House Votes to Limit Patriot Act Rules

By ANDREW TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer 31 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - The House voted Wednesday to block the
FBI and the
Justice Department from using the anti-terror Patriot Act to search library and book store records, responding to complaints about potential invasion of privacy of innocent readers.
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Despite a veto threat from
President Bush, lawmakers voted 238-187 to block the part of the anti-terrorism law that allows the government to investigate the reading habits of terror suspects.

The vote reversed a narrow loss last year by lawmakers complaining about threats to privacy rights. They narrowed the proposal this year to permit the government to continue to seek out records of Internet use at libraries.

The vote came as the House debated a $57.5 billion bill covering the departments of Commerce, Justice and State. The Senate has yet to act on the measure, and GOP leaders often drop provisions offensive to Bush during final negotiations.

Congress is preparing to extend the Patriot Act, which was passed quickly in the emotional aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Then, Congress included a "sunset" provision under which 15 of the law's provisions are to expire at the end of this year.

Supporters of rolling back the library and bookstore provision said that the law gives the FBI too much leeway to go on "fishing expeditions" on people's reading habits and that innocent people could get tagged as potential terrorists based on what they check out from a library.

"If the government suspects someone is looking up how to make atom bombs, go to a court and get a search warrant," said Jerold Nadler, D-N.Y.

Supporters of the Patriot Act countered that the rules on reading records are a potentially useful tool in finding terrorists and argued that the House was voting to make libraries safe havens for them.

"If there are terrorists in libraries studying how to fly planes, how to put together biological weapons, how to put together chemical weapons, nuclear weapons ... we have to have an avenue through the federal court system so that we can stop the attack before it occurs," said Rep. Tom Feeney (news, bio, voting record), R-Fla.

Last year, a similar provision was derailed by a 210-210 tie tally after several Republicans were pressured to switch their votes.

In the meantime, a number of libraries have begun disposing of patrons' records quickly so they won't be available if sought under the law.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales told Congress in April that the government has never used the provision to obtain library, bookstore, medical or gun sale records.

But when asked whether the administration would agree to exclude library and medical records from the law, Gonzales demurred. "It should not be held against us that we have exercised restraint," he said.

Authorities have gained access to records through voluntary cooperation from librarians, Gonzales and FBI Director Robert Mueller said.




Score a small victory for Liberty, yay.
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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: GringoLoco]
    #4300684 - 06/15/05 07:50 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

thats GOOD news.


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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4300739 - 06/15/05 08:06 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Indeed it is! Definitely a step in the right direction...  :thumbup:


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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: Le_Canard]
    #4301029 - 06/15/05 09:26 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Couldn't agree more.

"If there are terrorists in libraries studying how to fly planes, how to put together biological weapons, how to put together chemical weapons, nuclear weapons ... "

This won't prevent terrorists from getting the information. If they're smart enough to put together something like this they'd find the information elsewhere.


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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: badchad]
    #4301168 - 06/15/05 10:11 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

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badchad said:
Couldn't agree more.

"If there are terrorists in libraries studying how to fly planes, how to put together biological weapons, how to put together chemical weapons, nuclear weapons ... "

This won't prevent terrorists from getting the information.  If they're smart enough to put together something like this they'd find the information elsewhere.




:thumbup: :thumbup: Yep.

I just hope those who voted for this don't use it against those who voted against it, saying that those who voted against it are "soft on terrorism".






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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4301188 - 06/15/05 10:16 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, this is great news. It is like the price of gas going from $1.69 to $2.74 and everyone is SO relieved when it goes down to $2.32 a gallon.

Hundreds of pages to the Patriot Act and numnerous oppressive clauses and sub-clauses and they repeal a very minor part to throw us a bone.

Woo-hoo! Start the celebration! :birthday:

Wait! Can't they still read my e-mail without my permission nor a federal warrant?

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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: Swami]
    #4301202 - 06/15/05 10:21 PM (11 years, 11 months ago)

Good point. Perhaps I should've written "a small step in the right direction"...


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Re: House votes to limit Patriot Act [Re: GringoLoco]
    #4302163 - 06/16/05 02:15 AM (11 years, 11 months ago)

The ACLU and the ACU (American Conservative Union) were both on Public Radio the other night discussing how bad the PATRIOT act is/was.


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