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InvisibletrendalM
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Truth
    #4300233 - 06/15/05 06:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

My Truth is mine and You can't prove otherwise because Your Truth is yours.

The Truth is something else entirely, and doesn't matter because Our Truth always comes first.


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300267 - 06/15/05 06:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

False


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300349 - 06/15/05 06:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your getting wierd on us again...


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300400 - 06/15/05 06:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
My Truth is mine and You can't prove otherwise because Your Truth is yours.

The Truth is something else entirely, and doesn't matter because Our Truth always comes first.




Seems true to me...however it's arguable that perhaps the truth doesn't exist. We as a society and a race have our consensual truth, as you said. But that's just one potential version of it, reality could be very different. We can prove things relatively, according to our consensual truth, but not absolutely, according to THE truth.

Of course that leads to thoughts of epistemology, and possibly solipsism, although I find MOST of solipsism silly.


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Re: Truth [Re: dblaney]
    #4300884 - 06/15/05 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well that's just it: I think that there is a "THE Truth" which exists separate from any of us...but I also think that this Truth is entirely unknowable to mere mortals such as ourselves. We can only ever know our own private version of "THE Truth".

So "THE Truth" doesn't even matter.


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300888 - 06/15/05 08:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I also meant to post this in the Philosophy forum but, alas, I was stoned :smirk:


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300925 - 06/15/05 08:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I know you know I know you know
what is the truth what is the truth who knows
you know she knows they know we know
what is the truth what is the truth who knows

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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4300930 - 06/15/05 08:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

trendal said:
My Truth is mine and You can't prove otherwise because Your Truth is yours.


If these truths are different one of them is obviously not true.

Truth exists regardless of humans interpretation of it, and regardless even if humans exist or not.


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Re: Truth [Re: trendal]
    #4301031 - 06/15/05 09:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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trendal said:
but I also think that this Truth is entirely unknowable to mere mortals such as ourselves. We can only ever know our own private version of "THE Truth".

So "THE Truth" doesn't even matter.




Wait so then how can you speculate that such a penultimate truth exists when you just said that it's impossible for us to comprehend it. Also, what sort of thing would this truth be? A higher power? Some knowledge?

One could say that THEIR truth is in fact, THE truth, and for all we know, they might be right. However, everything that is perceivable is relative. Really, the only thing that we can be sure of is that we are capable of perceiving something, and often do perceive things, or imagine that we do. We call this phenomenon life.


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Re: Truth [Re: DieCommie]
    #4301040 - 06/15/05 09:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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DieCommie said:
Truth exists regardless of humans interpretation of it, and regardless even if humans exist or not.




How do you know? That's a pretty brazen assertion. This again goes to epistemology, the example of does an object continue to exist even if nothing is there to perceive it?

Although, THE truth (if there is such a thing) is probably not any one object, so the above example is irrelvant. If there is such an existence, then it can only be recognized if there are humans to recognize it. Otherwise it's just another potential floating around out in the void.


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Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin.

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Re: Truth [Re: dblaney]
    #4301073 - 06/15/05 09:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

How does it become "potential floating in a void"? I dont understand that sorry... Potential for what?


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Re: Truth [Re: dblaney]
    #4301080 - 06/15/05 09:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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dblaney18 said:Although, THE truth (if there is such a thing) is probably not any one object...


Of course not. The truth is the state of the universe and beyond. Its not a person place or thing.


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Re: Truth [Re: DieCommie]
    #4301100 - 06/15/05 09:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"How does it become "potential floating in a void"?"

I'm not too sure where I was going with that...it was just a thought that I had on my last trip, and it's pretty much undeveloped. Basically I thought of everything as a potential, with some potentials being realized and then that object existing...or something like that, as I said I don't know where I was going with it, lol.


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Re: Truth [Re: dblaney]
    #4301109 - 06/15/05 09:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:lol: good answer  :thumbup:

I think we have different definitions of what truth is,  thus different ideas of its nature and how it manifests itself.


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Re: Truth [Re: DieCommie]
    #4301148 - 06/15/05 10:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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DieCommie said:
Truth exists regardless of humans interpretation of it, and regardless even if humans exist or not.




According to who, you? You have no say in Universal matters :smile:

I've found that it's absolutely retarded to look for things that don't exist. Truth is intangible, quit looking for a fairy tale.


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Re: Truth [Re: vampirism]
    #4301377 - 06/15/05 11:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If there is no absolute truth, then that fact becomes absolute truth.


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Re: Truth [Re: DieCommie]
    #4301387 - 06/15/05 11:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And that's why I'm agnostic :grin:


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Re: Truth [Re: dblaney]
    #4301394 - 06/15/05 11:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"truth" dosent have anything to do with a diety. Wheater or not a diety exists is irrelevent when talking about absoulte truth.

ps Im agnostic too


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Re: Truth [Re: DieCommie]
    #4301404 - 06/15/05 11:15 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

which is both a contradiction and completely human. Nothing is Absolute. Nowhere will you find "truth". I might as well say truth is a purple people eater or a unicorn.


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Re: Truth [Re: vampirism]
    #4301413 - 06/15/05 11:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Saying nothing is absolute, is an absolute. You cant avoid it.

Quote:

Morrowind said: Nowhere will you find "truth".


True, but irrelevant.


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