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OfflineWhiteRabbitt
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Would you?
    #4299711 - 06/15/05 04:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Say its december 8, 1941, and you're 18. Would you have enlisted?


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4299807 - 06/15/05 04:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Admiral Yamamoto: "You cannot invade mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind each blade of grass."




If there were invading forces that had reached the shores of my state I would defend my homeland. However I would never leave this country to fight a war on foreign soil.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4299867 - 06/15/05 04:42 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Helllllllllls no. Under certain circumstances I might fight to protect the land I live on, but aside from that, fuck war.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4299981 - 06/15/05 05:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes.

I'm not an aggressive person but.......the Japanese did attack us.

If the Germans took Britain....they would be invading us next.

IMO it's better to stop the invading force before they get to you border.
Less civilian casualties that way. :shrug:








If you saw someone running at you sister with a bat, trying to bash her head in, would you wait till he hits her to do something....or try to stop him?


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Re: Would you? [Re: niteowl]
    #4300105 - 06/15/05 05:47 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

There's a huge difference between fighting to protect someone you care about, and someone you don't care about...

Plus, the guy running at my sister with a bat would be closer in metaphor to someone invading my country. If the guy was beating someone else with a bat, and said that my sister was next, the analogy works better. :smirk:


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Re: Would you? [Re: niteowl]
    #4300132 - 06/15/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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I'm not an aggressive person but.......the Japanese did attack us.



True, but they were provoked by an extremely hostile US policy. Perhaps they wouldn't have attacked us if we were a true neutral.

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If the Germans took Britain....they would be invading us next.



First of all, that's just conjecture. Second of all, THEY COULDN'T TAKE BRITAIN. There is no way in hell they could have or would have attempted an invasion of the mainland United States. Hitler was an insane megalomaniac but he was not militarily inept -- he knew his limits to a point, why do you think he made such a diplomatic push to keep the Soviet Union out of the war in the Summer of 39?

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IMO it's better to stop the invading force before they get to you border.
Less civilian casualties that way.



Even WW2, the one just war that war-hawks turn to when they're cornered, wasn't that simple. Impossible to make such a blanket statement.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4300136 - 06/15/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Without a doubt.


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Re: Would you? [Re: SoopaX]
    #4300151 - 06/15/05 05:57 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It's not my place to judge anyone here, but for those who say yes -- why? Just curious, 'cause there are a lot of different reasons.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4300287 - 06/15/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Once they reached the U.S., I'd defend the country, but I wouldn't join the army under any circumstances.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4301231 - 06/15/05 10:28 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sure would have.

Why? Because I think that, unfortunately, we still live in a world where borders must be defended, violently if neccessary, from grave threats. In 1941, I think the axis powers were a grave threat to just about any country on the planet.

PS: I should qualify 'grave threats' as being countries that have displayed obvious intention to attack US soil, or have done so already.


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4301381 - 06/15/05 11:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Japan and the US is better off because we attacked them. (so is germany)


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Re: Would you? [Re: WhiteRabbitt]
    #4301506 - 06/15/05 11:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well, seeing as how I'd be in Poland, I'd have no choice. Plus, I'd probably be dead soon anyway.


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Re: Would you? [Re: vampirism]
    #4301714 - 06/16/05 12:30 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I suppot the armed forces, my wife does not, we bicker about that sometimes ..... i would not want to enlist or go to war (EVER!) but i would if i had to (not that i support Bush at all (ass hole) not that you asked) i would stand by my country


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Re: Would you? [Re: mrjim202000]
    #4302528 - 06/16/05 04:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yes. An easy decision to say the least.

True, but they were provoked by an extremely hostile US policy. Perhaps they wouldn't have attacked us if we were a true neutral.

Japan and Germany had goals of imperialism. It doesn't get any clearer than that.


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Re: Would you? [Re: looner2]
    #4302670 - 06/16/05 07:54 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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Japan and Germany had goals of imperialism. It doesn't get any clearer than that.



So the United States should have attacked any country with goals of imperialism? I assume you'd have been fine with a pre-emptive attack on the entirety of fortress europe during the late 19th century for their imperial tedencies towards Africa. I assume you'd also be fine with an attack against ourselves (not sure how this would work logistically -- good luck!) for all the imperialism we practiced in Central and South America, The Carribean, The Philipenes, etc.


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Re: Would you? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #4302778 - 06/16/05 09:40 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I would fight for what was mine.


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Re: Would you? [Re: Ancalagon]
    #4303013 - 06/16/05 11:35 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So the United States should have attacked any country with goals of imperialism?

Nah. Only the ones that would be a threat to us then, or in the future.

I assume you'd have been fine with a pre-emptive attack on the entirety of fortress europe during the late 19th century for their imperial tedencies towards Africa.

You assumed wrong. Africa held zero interest to the U.S in everyway. We were not threatened whatsoever by Europes conquering of it.

I assume you'd also be fine with an attack against ourselves (not sure how this would work logistically -- good luck!) for all the imperialism we practiced in Central and South America, The Carribean, The Philipenes, etc.

You are silly!


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Re: Would you? [Re: looner2]
    #4303018 - 06/16/05 11:38 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

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looner2 said:
Only the ones that would be a threat to us then, or in the future.




Since the future is a subject of great conjecture, this line of reasoning could be used to justify the attack of any and all countries on earth.


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Re: Would you? [Re: Prosgeopax]
    #4303027 - 06/16/05 11:41 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)


Since the future is a subject of great conjecture, this line of reasoning could be used to justify the attack of any and all countries on earth.


Oh yeah? Make your case for Zambia.


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Re: Would you? [Re: looner2]
    #4303037 - 06/16/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

It is not my case to make. Neither can anyone make (nor did anyone make) a valid case for attacking Iraq.


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