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 Blue Helix
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 Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too)  [Re: Smallworlds]
#4297602 - 06/15/05 12:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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From a bacterial and mold perspective, the bathroom is seldom as dirty as the kitchen. Where there is food, there is mold and mold spores, period. Where there is a toilet there might be bacteria, but there seldom is mold which is tons worse.
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IGnosticAbhorI
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: Blue Helix]
#4297788 - 06/15/05 12:51 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Good point  ...
But what if I told you I barely cleaned my bathrooms...compared to my kitchen...
-Gnostic
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Blue Helix
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
#4297834 - 06/15/05 01:02 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Actually, IGnosticAbhorI, if you told me that, I'd say you are normal. Sociological studies have shown that a typical house is far less clean than most believe. People tend to clean their house or apartment when company arrives which furthers the clean-home conception, but most are only super clean in the fantasy portrayed by movies, sitcoms, and commercials. The phenomenon is rather like the way all the people in movies are just about ten times as attractive as normal.
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CLUTCH
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: Smallworlds]
#4298001 - 06/15/05 02:26 AM (18 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
Smallworlds said:
O.K. guys, fine. I am stepping up to a glove box anyway soon, I just wanted to tell everyone the good news, and how it was achieved this time.
YEY!! 
You guys converted him.
I don't think, no wait. I KNOW I will never try the Oven TEK. 
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Seuss
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: Smallworlds]
#4298165 - 06/15/05 04:01 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I wrote this yesterday, but the forum was down so I couldn't post it... it is a bit dated now after all the other posts to this thread, but it still has some good info in it...
There is a large difference in being able to grow a fungus and understanding the scientific method. Without performing a scientific experiment, with both a control group and a test group, you cannot make any claims other than you got lucky. Even if you do a scientific experiment and publish your results, the results are meaningless until your procedures have been peer reviewed and independently verified as accurate.
What is it about a laminer flow hood that keeps contamination away from your work area? If you answered "a sterile laminer air flow" then you were correct. If you answered "sterile air flow" or anything related but left out the word "laminer" then you are incorrect.
Laminer air flow is air that flows evenly, without turbulance. (A filter is typically used to ensure that the airflow is sterile.) When a spore lands in a laminer air flow, it is wisked away from the work area quickly. When a spore lands in a turbulant air flow, it bounces around, up and down, and lands where ever it gets lucky. If you are lucky, then it lands away from your work area. If you are unlucky, then it lands on your actual work.
So the big question here is, "Does an oven produce a sterile laminer air flow." The answer is obviously "I don't know." Can we test for laminer air flow... Yes, this is very easy to see... simply setup your oven as if you were doing work, then light some incense and stick it in the oven and let it burn. Watch the smoke... does it come up and go straight up, or does it spin around and around.
Now... you may be a lucky one that has an oven that does magically produce laminer flow. I haven't see this, but I won't rule out that such a beast may exist. If you are, then you will see the smoke trails go straight up. If you are like me, they will bounce all over the place and produce eddies in the air. Remember though, the flow of air still is not sterile. Just because you have rising air around your work area doesn't mean that the rising air is clean.
You can also use soap bubbles... they work better than smoke, in my opinion. Get a bubble blower and blow a stream of small bubbles into the oven airflow. Do the bubbles land on the work area or are they wisked away. For me, they always land on my work area. If a bubble does, so will a spore or bacteria. My oven actually sucks the bubbles floating near the floor and drops them directly on my work area. Over 90% of all contaminates are located within 1 foot of the floor (gravity).
Finally, if the oven tek works for you, then by all means continue to use it. At the same time, don't ignore the people that claim it doesn't work for them. Every single time that I have used the oven tek, I have contaminated. Once I built a real flow hood my problems went away. For me, the oven tek doesn't work, but if it did, I wouldn't bother with anything else.
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Just another spore in the wind.
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IGnosticAbhorI
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: Seuss]
#4298229 - 06/15/05 06:02 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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I'd say you are normal.
Why thank you Blue Helix...
-Gnostic
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scatmanrav
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: Seuss]
#4298367 - 06/15/05 08:08 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Well written Suess...
>If you answered "sterile air flow" or anything related but left out the word "laminer" then you are incorrect.
Laminer air flow is air that flows evenly, without turbulance.
I was not aware of this....I knew thats what a flowhood did, but never used the word laminer or knew what it meant. I always just say it produces "a wall" of sterile air...much better though..
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doc34
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Re: Success!! (There is a question in here too) [Re: scatmanrav]
#4298633 - 06/15/05 09:49 AM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Smallworlds,
I never used the "Oven Tek",I got $1.00 in a Glovebox that has never let me down.
Nice to know my tek worked for you though!
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