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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: afoaf]
#4303961 - 06/16/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Here is the definition I found-
terrorism - the calculated use of violence (or threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimindation or coercion or instilling fear
Which would not make slavery or the civil rights movement terrorism.
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: DieCommie]
#4305215 - 06/16/05 07:30 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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so beating, raping and killing blacks for the sake of commercial benefit isn't 'the calculated use of violence against civilians in order to attain goals that are ideological in nature'?
additionally, the civil rights movement was a peaceful movement, the blacks weren't running around lynching white folk that didn't want to grant them basic liberties.
you could say that the anti-civil rights movement was terrorist in nature.
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: afoaf]
#4305286 - 06/16/05 07:45 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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afoaf said: Terrorism -
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
I think I disagree.
What exactly do you disagree with? Tie them together please.
Slavery wasn't unlawful.
Slavery wasn't used to intimidate or coerce someone to achieve political means. It was used to do shitty labor. It was an economic tool.
Slavery was not an ideological or political in the slightest. I won't argue against this unless you provide an example of such, because i can't even begin to fathom where one would come from.
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: looner2]
#4305352 - 06/16/05 07:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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while legality may appear to be a lynchpin in that definition, I don't necessarily believe that the legal status of the violence or threat of violence affects the underlying nature of the act.
there's plenty of cases of state sanctioned terror throughout history.
furthermore, economic ideology...in this case, the belief that blacks should held as slaves and controlled through violence and threat of violence was an ideology that ran it's course, but an ideology nonetheless.
and just to preempt:
ideology:
1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: SoopaX]
#4305396 - 06/16/05 08:08 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Actually, I don't care whether they include these museums in this thing or not. I can understand why people would think this is appropriate as well as inappropriate.
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: Learyfan]
#4305563 - 06/16/05 08:39 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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i am not getting it.
for example: do you think we put a bunch of other memorials mixed in with the pearl harbor memorial?
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: lonestar2004]
#4306155 - 06/16/05 11:44 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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If they denote how bad Whites are, then yes!
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: Learyfan]
#4306172 - 06/16/05 11:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Give me one reason why you think it would be appropriate to build a memorial for one event at a location that, not only is irrelevant to the event, is highly relevant to the other? Let me ask you this, if I made a list of "bad events" and a list of places that they happened, and just randomly mixed and matched where the memorials would go, I could see it being something like this
"Ah, here we are in Auschwitz, the Nazi concentration camps that killed more than any other. OK, the 'Memorial Chosen' for this location is the Oklahoma City Bombing. Now in OK City, the Nagasaki Victims Memorial."
You see why this would be problematic, right? Hah, funny thought, maybe they'd build the memorial for the firebombed citizens of Dresden at Auschwits or Bergen-Belsen. Why not put the memorial for the specific action on a site that more accuratly reflects it's history?
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: looner2]
#4308815 - 06/17/05 07:35 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Quote:
looner2 said:
Quote:
afoaf said: Terrorism -
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
I think I disagree.
What exactly do you disagree with? Tie them together please.
Slavery wasn't unlawful.
Slavery wasn't used to intimidate or coerce someone to achieve political means. It was used to do shitty labor. It was an economic tool.
Slavery was not an ideological or political in the slightest. I won't argue against this unless you provide an example of such, because i can't even begin to fathom where one would come from.
You know sometimes i wonder about the meaning of slavery.
What get's me is that During the 1860's Most slaves were provided with homes and were basically servants who master fed and housed and did manual labor or were servants.
After the slaves were freed they pretty much were astounded they were free and could not find any way to gain a sizeable income and pretty much sharecropped their existence being paid a handful of pennies for strenuous labor.
Many could not found houseing and when they were let free ended up freezing to death in the wilderness.
Edited by The_Red_Crayon (06/17/05 07:36 PM)
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Re: "New York 9-11 Memorial will include museums on Indian genocide, black slavery genocide, more" [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
#4308832 - 06/17/05 07:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago) |
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Also did you know that Abraham Lincoln and Stanton his secretary of War were thinking about taking blacks and shipping them to Cozumel. I didnt know this untill i actually went to the island and visited a museum their. Pretty wild.
Edited by The_Red_Crayon (06/17/05 07:39 PM)
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