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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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a wild night "trip"
    #4294424 - 06/14/05 09:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I just thought I'd sare my last nights experience, it was bizare

It was soon my time to wake up, so I was in that state of half sleep, where you can pretty much chose to go back dreaming or wake up, and you can dive in to the dream or out at will.

So there I was dreaming some random images, and there was this image of a couple of trees, I remember it so clearly. The weather was dark and overcast, and the light was a little blueish. Looked like it was supose to be a storm soon. And as I looked at these couple of trees, I "decided" somehow to make it more real, it's hard to explain. It is a half-lucid kind of a dream, or better yet, a dream that I turned into a lucid one by choice. So the image started to grow more real in a few seconds, frightenly real, as If I'm having this 3d view, with real colors, just as I am watching this monitor right now.

And as the image switched to real, I felt a strong pressure in my eardrums, as if someone is putting watter in my middle ear. The eardrums started rumbling, it felt like my whole interior of the head is falling appart, I tried to wake up but I couldn't open my eyes, and was paralized. Then I finally managed to open my eyes, but when I tried to return to sleep and went back to the image of the trees at storm, the sensation came back and the "driling" in my head returned, and once again I was paralised.
The sensation in the ears was a mixture of pain and some kind of tickly pleasure, but it was like a seizure, and I believe it was because this sounds like sleep paralisis, my mother and grandmother had it too

But what is interesting is the connection between lucid dreaming and this seizure. A dream turning into a frightenly real hallucination by choice, and then the seizure comes in.

Really surreal experience


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4294489 - 06/14/05 10:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

maybe not cause and effect?

maybe just phenomena like terrain of the place you visited?


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4294630 - 06/14/05 11:57 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

we dream, that we awake, from sleep, and vica versa.

:smile:

Ever gotten the "playing flute with your ear canals"? hehe
Its that "child memory", that 'juiced me right back in' this lucid state..


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Gomp]
    #4295941 - 06/14/05 07:39 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

things like that have happened to me a few times..

well at least the part about being half awake and not being able to move. every time that has happened I just try as hard as I can to shake my body into action. It takes a while but I always fully wake up and regain my ability to move.

Its fucking scary though, not being able to move sets off all kinds of mental alarms. needless to say when I wake up from something like that, theres no falling back to sleep.

oh and I know what you mean about "making it more real"
i do that all the time in lucid dreams when I feel like im about to wake up. i just focus on some visual detail, then mentally increase the clarity of the dream.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: BoneMan]
    #4295999 - 06/14/05 07:50 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

My mother had the same problem, I do believe it is genetic.
It does not happen often, but sometimes she used to wake up feeling like someone is on top of her pushing her down, and she even screamed sometimes because it was so real.

That pretty much solves the old myth about incubs and sucubs (demons that touch people in beds and rape them)

Some worse cases of this defect (like "night terrors") include fully awake hallucinations of all kinds of demonic creatures, and a sense of "evil presence" in the room, even 100% real visions of alien abductions, anything your mind can imagine and be scared of can be manifested as hallucinations.


Fortunatly, my case is rather harmless, the worse that it gets are these seizures.

Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night for no reason feeling intense fear, as if someone was in the room and woke me up, and stuff like that. But it is not a problem.


This thing about lucid dreams and these seizures is really strange. It almost feels like every time I tried to get back to sleep/dream there is some barrier that I can't cross and my brain goes into an overheat or something. It's interesting. The realer the images get, the buzzing is stronger (like high voltage tension sound) and the interrior of my head is being more drilled and shaken.

I've had lucid dreams with no "technical" problems like that, but this time (and a few more times in the past) I was prevented to go into these real images by this invisible lock that drils my brain and my hearing system and paralizes my body.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4296393 - 06/14/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Drink more water. Those are all also signs of dehydration. Flood yourself with water before bed time, drink more during the day and bring water in with you at night. It'll make a big difference.

Just speaking from experience.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4296454 - 06/14/05 09:25 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No, I know what dehydration looks like, I tend to be heavily dehydrated after drinking alcohol before going to sleep, I wake up, and I drink like 2 liters of watter without stoping. The watter then has a really sweet taste, like someone puts sugar in it, and it makes no effect no matter how much I drink it, it does not satisfy my thirst. That's dehydration, this has nothing to do with it.
I also speak from experience


Like I said this is sleep paralisys, it is has been in the family for several generations


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4296762 - 06/14/05 10:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Some worse cases of this defect

There is nothing in the least bit unusual about this phenomena. And it is not a "defect" but a gift. It is called "sleep paralysis" and happens to all of us every night as we go into REM sleep. It is a mechanism our body manifests to keep us from acting out our dreams every night. You might dream you flew out of your second story bedroom window, but if your body was convinced you might have some health problems.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Jellric]
    #4296799 - 06/14/05 10:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I fell asleep in my computer chair while surfing the net one evening last week and experienced it. It was very weird.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4296826 - 06/14/05 11:04 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

We are very :cool: creatures it seems. :mushroom2:


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4297213 - 06/15/05 12:31 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I hope I didn't give the impression that I was dismissing this kind of phenomena by providing a rational explanation for it. There is indeed a physical component to it. But one special aspect of this state of consciousness: When in this state you can choose to "ramp up" your awareness and experience some "rare air" at this time. Visionary states are not uncommon in this realm.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Jellric]
    #4298236 - 06/15/05 08:12 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Jellric said:
Some worse cases of this defect

There is nothing in the least bit unusual about this phenomena. And it is not a "defect" but a gift. It is called "sleep paralysis" and happens to all of us every night as we go into REM sleep. It is a mechanism our body manifests to keep us from acting out our dreams every night. You might dream you flew out of your second story bedroom window, but if your body was convinced you might have some health problems.




seeing, bloody walls and demons in the middle of the night and having random panick attacks is a gift? Well, I'm glad I don't have it them


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4298272 - 06/15/05 08:51 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

OldWoodSpecter said:
Quote:

Jellric said:
Some worse cases of this defect

There is nothing in the least bit unusual about this phenomena. And it is not a "defect" but a gift. It is called "sleep paralysis" and happens to all of us every night as we go into REM sleep. It is a mechanism our body manifests to keep us from acting out our dreams every night. You might dream you flew out of your second story bedroom window, but if your body was convinced you might have some health problems.




seeing, bloody walls and demons in the middle of the night and having random panick attacks is a gift? Well, I'm glad I don't have it them




I have no idea how your reply relates to his post? :stoned:


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Icelander]
    #4298290 - 06/15/05 09:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

He said there is nothing unusual about this phenomena. He was refering to the natural sleep paralysis that hapens every night.
But what I'm talking about is a group of sleep disorders which are related, the strongest one being "night terrors", which includes the symptoms I have mentioned.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4298302 - 06/15/05 09:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Two different things. How are night terrors related to sleep paralysis?  :confused:


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Icelander]
    #4298312 - 06/15/05 09:22 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Those are indeed two different things, but night terrors include a bad coordination of sleep paralysis and being wake/asleep. Meaning, you can be awake but still experience paralysis.


Anyway. I used to have a form of night terrors when I was a child, even though they were not negative. When I was sleeping in the bed with my mother, I used to wake up in the middle of the night and say I see a man in the room, and was staring at blank, my mother was terrified because she was always interested in ghosts, paranormal and stuff like that :lol: I can't remember those events, nor what I saw, but my mother says It has been often in my childhood.

I think those hallucinations and the mild form I am experiencing now, including these seizures are connected.


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Icelander]
    #4298313 - 06/15/05 09:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

By the way "night terrors" are a phenomenon (or disorder, whatever you want to call it) when your brain keeps dreaming but you are fully awake and your fantasy mixes with reality which produces hallucinations that are indistinguishable from reality


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4298330 - 06/15/05 09:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Sounds about right. :grin:


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Re: a wild night "trip" [Re: Icelander]
    #4298446 - 06/15/05 10:42 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

lol


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