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Offlinecrunchytoast
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do you pray?
    #4289045 - 06/12/05 11:30 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

i haven't prayed in years. i was thinking about starting meditation, then someone mentioned prayer in a conversation, and i wondered about the difference.

do you pray? why/why not? what do you think of people who pray?
is it just about asking god for favors or is it something more?


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Re: do you pray? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4289054 - 06/12/05 11:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Prayer is a form of meditation.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4289097 - 06/12/05 11:41 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I don't pray. I don't meditate.

There's no reason to pray. I can think on my feet.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: orechron]
    #4289184 - 06/13/05 12:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I prayed that I been praying. So I guess I have pray a whole lot! :smile:


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Re: do you pray? [Re: Gomp]
    #4289249 - 06/13/05 12:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

meditation is listening to god

prayer is talking to god.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: The_Green_Glow]
    #4289465 - 06/13/05 01:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I thank things... say blessings for things... sometimes in my head, sometimes out loud.

I don't call it praying.

I do meditate from time to time... and would like to more.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: CeeThruMeer]
    #4290381 - 06/13/05 10:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I say *itadakimasu* before I eat.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4290400 - 06/13/05 10:30 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
do you pray?




I talk to myself, yes

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
why do you pray oldwoodspecter?





Because that's the only way to resolve inner, issues: to talk with myself, and with surrounding bushes and grass


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Re: do you pray? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4290465 - 06/13/05 11:16 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

possibly some superstition is involved,
possibly it is just attitude.

the latter can be excellent.

the former is better than compulsive criminality,
but a flock of sheep need a shepard,
and one alone is wolf's lunch.

we only hope the shepards are not wolves.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4290680 - 06/13/05 12:25 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I have a prayer life.

I have always had a prayer life. My father taught me the Jewish 'Shema' when I was 3 years old. When I was a young boy I prayer in bed, addressing GOD as an unknown, prefacing my prayer (usually from fear) that 'I don't know What you are...electricity or something...'

Since college days, I have prayed 'Prayers of Thanksgiving' mostly - spontaneous, joyful, sometimes ecstatic realizations of completeness, or gratitude for the good things that have been given to me, and the bad things that have been taken away (e.g., cancer, my ex-wife, jury duty, grief).

I sometimes pray 'Intercessory Prayers,' for the healing of others' illnesses, repair of failing marriages, re-establishment of inner wholeness in those who grieve. More prayers of completeness, but for others.

'Petitionary Prayer' - the type most people think of when they hear the word prayer. It should not be thought of in terms of 'GOD is my errand boy.' It is not about personal power either. It would seem that when I have 'asked' as a child asks a parent, and it is not good for me, then it never happens (like asking for the repair of my former marriage, which needed to die). But I have also had an accompanying sense of certitude (called 'assurance' in theology) when that which I asked for came to pass. I 'Knew' it was going to be as I wanted, perhaps because what I wanted corresponded to reality as it was already intended to unfold in the future.

In the examples of prayer in the New Testament, the connection between Jesus' desire and the Will of GOD, were synonymous. The Jungian 'Ego-Self Axis' between the pole of Jesus' being, and GOD (the Ground of Being, or Being Itself) was completely intact. Jesus was acting in accordance with 'The Way' (the Tao in Taoism), and in fact, early Christians were said to belong to 'The Way' before the word 'Christian was ever used. In the book Ego and Archetype, Edward Edinger does a masterful job in presenting a Jungian take on prayer that makes a lot of sense, and which readers may agree matches their own experiences - particularly when one's attention is highly focused on entheogens and much more of life appears to be synchronistic. That's The Way.

But I say, as Buddha said essentially, 'experiment.' I have, and after 30 years, I am convinced. I don't think Jesus entertained a primitive 'Old-Bearded-Guy-in-the-Sky' GOD just because Catholic catechism books for kids depicted GOD that way. His GOD language was parabolic and metaphoric, but Jesus never confused these linguistic devices as one confusing the pointed finger with the moon at which the finger points. Buddha simply refused to answer presumptuous questions about GOD. How can anyone answer anything about GOD unless GOD is doing the answering? GOD 'answers' with the ISNESS of creation, and I will add to this Buddhist response by saying that GOD does 'load the dice' in the vicinity of human beings who pray. There 'is' a responsive distortion of the 'space-time continuum' (imagine this phrase in the high-pitched voice of the late terrence McKenna if you will :smile: ) I say there "is" here, rather than there 'seems to be,' because this is a bit of doctrine that I adhere to: prayer works.

Lastly, Contemplative Prayer - the Western equivalent to Eastern meditation. The word meditation in the Bible means a discursive pondering of written words of scripture. There are different traditions of Christian and Jewish (and Muslim) Contemplative Prayer. I have used the Eastern Orthodox Christian Hesychastic method for many years. It greatly resembles Yoga. I am currently using the Kabbalistic Tree of Life as a 'mystical physiology' or map for inner work - to trace where I'm at primarily.

It's all good. You want to stay high permanently? Become a 'fish' in an Ocean of GOD's Presence.' 'Fantastic,' you say? "Absolutely," I say.  :laugh:


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Re: do you pray? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4290724 - 06/13/05 12:36 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you may have extrapolated about buddha advising experimental prayer.

but your attitude cultivation is consistently oriented to the well being of all, and that is grand.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4290727 - 06/13/05 12:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

prayer is like repeating a mantra. When you write thoughts down or focalize on thoughts. They become real. When you let thoughts come and go with out proper notice they disapear.

Prayer helps to burn what is beeing said into the recient files of our brains.

with out prayer many things that are gifts go unoticed.

i simply pray each day. I give a prayer of thanks every time i smell the wild roses. I say a prayer ever time i see a hawk or any animal. I give thanks when i see a nice view of the mountains around me. Or when i see some kids running around.

I dont pray for change. I pray to show my gratitude.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4290756 - 06/13/05 12:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

nice


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Re: do you pray? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4291078 - 06/13/05 01:59 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

when i was younger i would pray for long periods of time each night... i was scared for everybody i knew...encluding myself that we would all go to hell if we didnt pray.. and i beleived that if i prayed for everyone i knew then if they didn't pray it would be okay cuz i prayed for them.

crazy huh? i lost sleep over it alot, and oddly enough i started to lose hair too!

when i was 7 or 8 i had this patch of hair that fell out or stopped growing... it was embarrassing, but i now think iy was a direct affect of my worrying and fear.

i dont have that bald spot anymore by the way!


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Re: do you pray? [Re: uriahchase]
    #4291096 - 06/13/05 02:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

no I don't pray, what's the point.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4291104 - 06/13/05 02:06 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I picked up a new book in Borders this morning by the Dalai Lama (title escapes me). I swear its tough sometimes NOT professing my faith as being Buddhist. It is the issue of prayer, as a matter of fact, that keeps me identified as a Jew and a Christian (even though I'm an apostate to the Jews and a heretic to the Christians)!
This week I received a wood, table-top Tibetan Buddhist prayer wheel that's sitting right here, and a string of prayer flags that I hung on the fence behind the palm trees. I still pray in the Names of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit (alternatively: Father, Son & Mother), but I've really withdrawn a Real faith in GOD-as-Trinity, in favor of radical monotheism, then again, Jewish Kabbalism has its 'Ain-Ain Sof-Ain Sof Aur' trinity as well.
In the words of Vinny Barbarino (played by John Travalta): "I'm so confused!"  :confused:  :laugh:

  Hmmmm.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #4291120 - 06/13/05 02:13 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

finally I do have a bald spot and it is growing ecstatically at every turn of my imaginary prayer wheel.

but I really do respect the effort at integrity that so much of prayer involves, just not the superstition that chases this issue into such embarrassing extremes.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4291171 - 06/13/05 02:37 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

im confused...are you mocking me?


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Re: do you pray? [Re: uriahchase]
    #4291185 - 06/13/05 02:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

no
mocking is a schoolyard game
if adults have played it with you they were a bad example, you have nothing to fear.


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Re: do you pray? [Re: redgreenvines]
    #4291190 - 06/13/05 02:46 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

redgreenvines said:
no
mocking is a schoolyard game
if adults have played it with you they were a bad example, you have nothing to fear.




:heart:


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