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Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it?
    #4287197 - 06/12/05 04:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

In the thread about Coca-Cola's murders, the discussion started out on the topic of obviously illegal and corrupt... ummm.... buisness practices, and went on to the pronouncation of Coke, and why exactly is it called Coke when the product is "Coca-Cola".

Now I'm not knocking the direction the thread took, but rather just trying to understand the reasons why social causes tend to get ignored. Here's my theory.

Back in the early 90's, a number of musicians had legitmate social causes which they tried to address through their music. This, of course, was nothing new, however it created a trend among celebrities to have a specific cause to champion because it makes good press. Anything which is good publicity is bound to become a trend in Holywood/politics. Who cares about baby seals when a rich actor spends 5 minutes washing oil off one for the camera? It's not the social problem which is important, but the fact that's a famous person "compassionatly" looking good while doing it.

And of course, the recent War in Iraq protests irritated a lot of people because a number of airhead celebrities did a bunch of armchair activism. When Fred Durst is making social commentary, it's bound to turn a lot of people off. We've come from sit-ins & well-written protest songs in the 60's & 70's, to a man who talks about doing it all for the nookie giving a 5 second statment on the war.

More importantly than that, is that it really is hard to know who is telling the truth, and really, what can a person really do about such causes? I think people are tired of not seeing results, which is a real shame. On top of which, a website can be published by just about anyone, so it's hard to take a website too seriously.

It's a real shame because it takes people being active to make a difference, but if the social norm is apathy, then it follows that activism appears to just be a bunch of uninformed whiners (and sometimes, as in the case of Mr. Durst, there can be truth to it). I know at the college I go to, there is a somewhat unspoken norm to be apathetic, although it's not always the case.

It sucks because there are real serious social problems which need to be address, but the whole thing becomes such a non-sense image that it breeds that apathy, which creates even more apathy.

Thoughts?


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Twirling]
    #4287237 - 06/12/05 04:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think this is caused by the genuine belief that there's nothing we can really do about it. Also, when you're not directly involved in a situation, it's hard to have any feelings about it whatsoever. Take the Coca-cola thing for instance. It's taking place in Columbia. Columbia!? That's so fucking far away and most of us have never been there. Most of us don't know anything about Columbia, apart from hearing about the cocaine business and that people speak Spanish there. I think this notion of distance and unfamiliarity causes the feeling that it may as well be happening on another planet.


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: moog]
    #4287266 - 06/12/05 05:05 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's really it. It's hard to be active in something which you don't see an immediate response or change in. I try to do what I can in my daily life to make a difference, and the only real contribution I can make to those larger social problems is to donate money towards organizations which work to change things (like MAPS or Erowid, something I plan on doing once I actually have a stable economic situation), or writing letters to politicans and/or newspapers.


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Twirling]
    #4287296 - 06/12/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I haven't red the article, I just saw it has something to do with Coke, so I started talking about that


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4287446 - 06/12/05 05:41 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, I just briefly looked at the website. It doesn't actually have to do with cocaine, I was just mentioning MAPS because the possible use of psychedelic drugs in psychotheraputic settings is something I am passionate about (I'm attempting a career in the mental health field).


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Twirling]
    #4287780 - 06/12/05 06:44 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I don't worry about corruption like I used to. I work one on one with whoever shows up in my path and let the world do it's thing.

Mr. Natural Sez, "Twas ever thus" :wink: :mushroom2:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Icelander]
    #4287843 - 06/12/05 06:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Taking on too much of the problems is really unproductive, so I think it's very wise to know how to approach it. Can't lose sight of the beauty of life, despite the maddness.


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Twirling]
    #4288561 - 06/12/05 09:54 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I've boycotted all major brands and try to buy things from independant stores or charity shops. And I don't eat meat. That's my contribution to the world, I hope to do more one day, when I feel better in myself.

These small efforts are what really makes a difference to the world if enough of us are aware enough to make these changes and to see that it would increase our over all happiness as a species. People thrive off each other, lets create happy vibes! :sun:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288572 - 06/12/05 09:56 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Good on you for supporting your local businesses.

The rest of it...whatever makes you feel good about yourself.


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288575 - 06/12/05 09:57 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I doubt that changes anything.  :sad:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Icelander]
    #4288591 - 06/12/05 10:00 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Negativity and submitting to apathy doesn't change anything, that's certain.

Actually making an effort, however small it may appear on the surface, is what needs to be encouraged because the more people that do it, and are confident enough to say, yeah actually, that's a pretty good idea, the greater the changes will be.

Have courage!


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288626 - 06/12/05 10:08 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Making any effort isn't important. You can make an effort in the wrong place and get the wrong or noone result. Understanding, and then making effort will have better effect.

I think the things you are making effort in are not effective for real change. But of course that's a personal opinion and might be wrong.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Icelander]
    #4288668 - 06/12/05 10:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

That's the trouble with you philosopher types, you'll never get anywhere because you're too busy sitting around all day discussing what is "the true" meaning behind everything and never actually getting anywhere. Trying is more productive than doing nothing at all


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288677 - 06/12/05 10:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

rogue_pixie said:
I've boycotted all major brands and try to buy things from independant stores or charity shops.




I do the same, when I can. I avoid Wal-Mart like the plague, and try to buy from more reputable companies.

There's no point in not trying, but as long as you're informed and put in an effort, there is always the chance for making some kind of impact, even if it's a small one. I figure that I might as well try to live a certain lifestyle which appears to have a positive impact, even if it doesn't. Hell, sometimes it makes me feel more positive, and that in itself is a form of impact.


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288695 - 06/12/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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That's the trouble with you philosopher types, you'll never get anywhere because you're too busy sitting around all day discussing what is "the true" meaning behind everything and never actually getting anywhere. Trying is more productive than doing nothing at all




Silly Pixi :grin:, I get everywhere. I don't sit around, I play. I try all the time. Just not at what you are trying. My life is a success. I have lots of challenge and joy. You missed the message in my post. :mushroom2:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Twirling]
    #4288696 - 06/12/05 10:19 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Icelander]
    #4288708 - 06/12/05 10:20 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

No I didn't, I got it, to be selfish and by being selfish it will make everything better....


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: rogue_pixie]
    #4288734 - 06/12/05 10:24 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Nope, never said that! Try again. :heart:


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Re: Are we numb to corruption? Feel helpless over it? [Re: Icelander]
    #4289001 - 06/12/05 11:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Everyone is too busy working with both parents, and keeping ends met, and keeping thier two SUVs and gas, and nice house, and big screen tv, and satellite television, etc. etc. that they don't have time to care.

That's the problem with our system...it isn't a direct democracy, it is a republic with democratic aspects.


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