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Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of rumour (psylocybe fanaticus!!!)
    #4284108 - 06/11/05 07:24 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

****EDIT**** see my post below
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This book

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/det...nce&s=books

I was flipping through this in the book store and it says, under the harvesting section...

"Psilocybin levels are at their highest in these coprophores just before the veil membrane breaks"

I'm quoting that from memory, so it may not be exactly right, but that's basically what it said.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4284124 - 06/11/05 07:27 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284133 - 06/11/05 07:30 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284147 - 06/11/05 07:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




me either.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284199 - 06/11/05 07:55 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Anno said:
It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




do you disbelieve the hypothesis?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4284246 - 06/11/05 08:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I prefer to believe scientific data over hearsay.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284267 - 06/11/05 08:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I just think it varies like hell and scientifically tracking it would look like a volatile seismograph reading. I prefer to follow the paths of Anno and RK...as well as my OWN experiences.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284276 - 06/11/05 08:15 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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I prefer to believe scientific data over hearsay.




me too!~

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284283 - 06/11/05 08:17 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




Exactly.

I wasn't saying it was true. I was saying this is where that rumour probably came from, as people have often said, "That isn't proven, I don't know where the hell people get that from."

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4284291 - 06/11/05 08:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Anno said:
It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




do you disbelieve the hypothesis?




What hypothesis? There is no hypothesis there. Remember a hypothesis is always stated as a question. That quote from the book is stated as proven fact, with no support or sources.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4284293 - 06/11/05 08:19 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

> I was saying this is where that rumour probably came from

The rumor is, as you said, that the levels are highest just BEFORE the veil ruptures.

This book though claims that this is the case "just after the partial veil ruptures".


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4284304 - 06/11/05 08:21 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I have that book lol i remember reading it and thinking this guy never did his homework and he has some crappy ideas for a room for full time production do not buy this book its about 80 pages of crap.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Smallworlds]
    #4284363 - 06/11/05 08:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Quote:

Anno said:
It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




do you disbelieve the hypothesis?




Hasn't been proven. Period.

I for one, Don't.

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4284383 - 06/11/05 08:39 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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> I was saying this is where that rumour probably came from

The rumor is, as you said, that the levels are highest just BEFORE the veil ruptures.

This book though claims that this is the case "just after the partial veil ruptures".




I've actually heard both in my days here.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4286196 - 06/12/05 12:05 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Since the copyright date of the book is 1997, I dont believe thats where the rumor started..


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: scatmanrav]
    #4286329 - 06/12/05 12:45 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

actually it was written in 1976, and the full text of that book is also available in our FAQ section here at shroomery:
http://www.shroomery.org/index/par/7997


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: lepiota]
    #4286465 - 06/12/05 01:26 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

so when do you guys harvest your mushrooms? Do you let them grow all the way out or right arter the veil breaks?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Anno]
    #4286583 - 06/12/05 01:54 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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It says:

The mushrooms are harvested just after the partial veil ruptures. The psilocybin content of the mushrooms is highest at this stage in the carpophore's growth.

I have yet to see any definitive scientific study that confirms this.




My opinion of what is at its highest stage, when mushrooms are harvested at the veil rupture stage & dried, is the quality appearance. Which, (to me) demonstrates the color, size, length & weight of each painting.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: agar]
    #4286624 - 06/12/05 02:04 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

i harvest when the cap is open, so i can also take prints. then dry and pulverize everything. appearance is not that important once you put it in a blender!


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: RobMarley420]
    #4286631 - 06/12/05 02:06 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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dingleberrysalad said:

so when do you guys harvest your mushrooms? Do you let them grow all the way out or right arter the veil breaks?




depends on...

if I'm taking spore prints or if I'm just harvesting fruits.

if I'm taking spore prints...I wait til the cap flattens out.

if I'm just after fruits...I harvest them before the veil breaks.
because they look nicer dried out!~

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4287316 - 06/12/05 05:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see why this is an issue!  Obviously this difference is minimal or else we'd know the answer.

Who cares about a couple percent when dealing with cubes?
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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4287393 - 06/12/05 05:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If you harvest when the caps flatten out horizontally, you gain a noticeable amount of mass as opposed to harvesting before the veil breaks, obviously. I've never noticed a difference in potency between the two, therefore I don't believe there actually is a detectable difference.

What really interests me is that a company such as Procare harvests before veil breakage. Do they know something we don't, or are they merely acting on unscientific data as well? Perhaps customers in the dutch coffee shops believe they are more potent prior to veil dropping, and they set the market standard. I should email Procare.



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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Holydiver]
    #4287422 - 06/12/05 05:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)


time for giving these guys a call


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4287431 - 06/12/05 05:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  ^^^^^^Now that's fuckin' funny^^^^^


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Holydiver]
    #4287727 - 06/12/05 06:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

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If you harvest when the caps flatten out horizontally, you gain a noticeable amount of mass as opposed to harvesting before the veil breaks, obviously. I've never noticed a difference in potency between the two, therefore I don't believe there actually is a detectable difference.

What really interests me is that a company such as Procare harvests before veil breakage. Do they know something we don't, or are they merely acting on unscientific data as well? Perhaps customers in the dutch coffee shops believe they are more potent prior to veil dropping, and they set the market standard. I should email Procare.






Just about all mushrooms sold in legal countries, are sold before the veil breaks. I think it might just have to do with keeping it clean. They're dealing with such huge amounts that the spores probably just make them look ugly when packaged (like at out grocery store) and make a mess in the place. I know my production puts spores ALL over the place, I could only imagine that shit.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4288201 - 06/12/05 08:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, but those Nimrod's left them until they were all almost flattened out!! Here we go again....


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4297369 - 06/15/05 01:04 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Here's where the rumour comes from! The great psylocybe fanaticus himself!

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When the caps aren?t fully expanded, all of the races look similar. The visual differences emerge when the shrooms mature, but then when they mature, they are only good for spore printing. These are weak in potency and unsatisfying for tripping. So the word of wisdom is, grow them PF style, harvest them when they are young and cool dry them with desiccant. When this is done, they are an entheogen of the highest nature.




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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297380 - 06/15/05 01:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

hahaha :smirk:

Who cares where it started....Just stop it(the rumors) :smirk:

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297390 - 06/15/05 01:11 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

but where did he hear it from  :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4297428 - 06/15/05 01:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just curious about it. If PF said it, I wonder what evidence he had.

Plus I'm REALLY high lol...ahem...I digress...

It'd be interesting to find out if it is true or not to put the myth/truth to rest.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297434 - 06/15/05 01:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I mean, here's another quote in another page about cakes...

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The secret to potent mushrooms is in their age when picked. It has been scientifically proven that the small immature specimens are significantly more potent than the larger mature specimens. Over half of the small primordia that first form will abhort (cease growing, convolute and deform). Pick these before their heads turn black. A pointed knife blade works well for removing these high potency primodia. These are among the most potent. The abortive mushrooms are also high potency. Harvest them when they are young and before their heads turn black. When the fruitbodies are normal, harvest them before the veil under the cap breaks. The mushrooms will be smaller and their heads will be roundish. It is important to note that the mushroom cakes pictured in this book are all mostly well matured. While these mature specimens are beautiful and perfect, they are not as potent as the diminutive specimens. The mature specimens are good for spore collecting and showcasing but are weak in psychedelic potency.




Where does he get that from??? He says, "scientifically proven"

WHERE?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297504 - 06/15/05 01:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

That's the point man...

You don't need scientifical Evidence to Make something up...:smirk:

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4298369 - 06/15/05 10:08 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

But are you so sure he made it up? I mean, PF was a longtime grower who knows his stuff, so I'm sure it's based off of something he heard/read/saw.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4298445 - 06/15/05 10:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

LOL....PF has/had alot to learn too.

PF was good at basic growing..that says nothing about nothing though. PF could never back up the claim either. He still comes to this board every now and then...


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4298577 - 06/15/05 11:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Over half of the small primordia that first form will abhort (cease growing, convolute and deform). Pick these before their heads turn black. A pointed knife blade works well for removing these high potency primodia. These are among the most potent. The abortive mushrooms are also high potency. Harvest them when they are young and before their heads turn black.










Does he suggest that primordia and aborts should be harvested before the rest of the flush? Might this disturb the process? Can it be harvested with the flush instead, or do you face rotting issues?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: QuadrupleTree]
    #4299020 - 06/15/05 01:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Even if there is no potency drop after the veil breaks, would it still be a better idea to harvest before it opens?

I am not talking about potency, but the spores that drop. Some have said that it effects future flushes... is this another rumor that we are going to spread around or has anyone had real experience with this difference? I mean, a light dusting of spores on the casing layer couldn't really effect it to much could it?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Gatorade]
    #4299501 - 06/15/05 03:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

what the hell is with people saying "potentcy drops". i thought the rumor stated that "psilo is stopped being produced after the veil breaks while the mushroom itself continues to grow, therefore lowering the psilo to mushroom matter ratio".

so the rumor is that the psilo actually degrades after the veil breaks? thats completely retarted.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: yousuck]
    #4299575 - 06/15/05 03:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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so the rumor is that the psilo actually degrades after the veil breaks? thats completely retarted.




I agree, but that isn't the rumor. The rumor is that the psilocybin stops production when the veil breks.


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