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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4287316 - 06/12/05 05:14 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I don't see why this is an issue!  Obviously this difference is minimal or else we'd know the answer.

Who cares about a couple percent when dealing with cubes?
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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4287393 - 06/12/05 05:29 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

If you harvest when the caps flatten out horizontally, you gain a noticeable amount of mass as opposed to harvesting before the veil breaks, obviously. I've never noticed a difference in potency between the two, therefore I don't believe there actually is a detectable difference.

What really interests me is that a company such as Procare harvests before veil breakage. Do they know something we don't, or are they merely acting on unscientific data as well? Perhaps customers in the dutch coffee shops believe they are more potent prior to veil dropping, and they set the market standard. I should email Procare.



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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Holydiver]
    #4287422 - 06/12/05 05:35 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)


time for giving these guys a call


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4287431 - 06/12/05 05:37 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:  ^^^^^^Now that's fuckin' funny^^^^^


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Holydiver]
    #4287727 - 06/12/05 06:36 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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If you harvest when the caps flatten out horizontally, you gain a noticeable amount of mass as opposed to harvesting before the veil breaks, obviously. I've never noticed a difference in potency between the two, therefore I don't believe there actually is a detectable difference.

What really interests me is that a company such as Procare harvests before veil breakage. Do they know something we don't, or are they merely acting on unscientific data as well? Perhaps customers in the dutch coffee shops believe they are more potent prior to veil dropping, and they set the market standard. I should email Procare.






Just about all mushrooms sold in legal countries, are sold before the veil breaks. I think it might just have to do with keeping it clean. They're dealing with such huge amounts that the spores probably just make them look ugly when packaged (like at out grocery store) and make a mess in the place. I know my production puts spores ALL over the place, I could only imagine that shit.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Mitchnast]
    #4288201 - 06/12/05 08:09 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Yeah, but those Nimrod's left them until they were all almost flattened out!! Here we go again....


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: VirgilKane]
    #4297369 - 06/15/05 01:04 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Here's where the rumour comes from! The great psylocybe fanaticus himself!

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When the caps aren?t fully expanded, all of the races look similar. The visual differences emerge when the shrooms mature, but then when they mature, they are only good for spore printing. These are weak in potency and unsatisfying for tripping. So the word of wisdom is, grow them PF style, harvest them when they are young and cool dry them with desiccant. When this is done, they are an entheogen of the highest nature.




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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297380 - 06/15/05 01:07 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

hahaha :smirk:

Who cares where it started....Just stop it(the rumors) :smirk:

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297390 - 06/15/05 01:11 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

but where did he hear it from  :shrug:


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: ThumpaCap]
    #4297428 - 06/15/05 01:19 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I'm just curious about it. If PF said it, I wonder what evidence he had.

Plus I'm REALLY high lol...ahem...I digress...

It'd be interesting to find out if it is true or not to put the myth/truth to rest.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297434 - 06/15/05 01:20 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

I mean, here's another quote in another page about cakes...

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The secret to potent mushrooms is in their age when picked. It has been scientifically proven that the small immature specimens are significantly more potent than the larger mature specimens. Over half of the small primordia that first form will abhort (cease growing, convolute and deform). Pick these before their heads turn black. A pointed knife blade works well for removing these high potency primodia. These are among the most potent. The abortive mushrooms are also high potency. Harvest them when they are young and before their heads turn black. When the fruitbodies are normal, harvest them before the veil under the cap breaks. The mushrooms will be smaller and their heads will be roundish. It is important to note that the mushroom cakes pictured in this book are all mostly well matured. While these mature specimens are beautiful and perfect, they are not as potent as the diminutive specimens. The mature specimens are good for spore collecting and showcasing but are weak in psychedelic potency.




Where does he get that from??? He says, "scientifically proven"

WHERE?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4297504 - 06/15/05 01:36 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

That's the point man...

You don't need scientifical Evidence to Make something up...:smirk:

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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: IGnosticAbhorI]
    #4298369 - 06/15/05 10:08 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

But are you so sure he made it up? I mean, PF was a longtime grower who knows his stuff, so I'm sure it's based off of something he heard/read/saw.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4298445 - 06/15/05 10:42 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

LOL....PF has/had alot to learn too.

PF was good at basic growing..that says nothing about nothing though. PF could never back up the claim either. He still comes to this board every now and then...


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: myndreach]
    #4298577 - 06/15/05 11:33 AM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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Over half of the small primordia that first form will abhort (cease growing, convolute and deform). Pick these before their heads turn black. A pointed knife blade works well for removing these high potency primodia. These are among the most potent. The abortive mushrooms are also high potency. Harvest them when they are young and before their heads turn black.










Does he suggest that primordia and aborts should be harvested before the rest of the flush? Might this disturb the process? Can it be harvested with the flush instead, or do you face rotting issues?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: QuadrupleTree]
    #4299020 - 06/15/05 01:10 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

Even if there is no potency drop after the veil breaks, would it still be a better idea to harvest before it opens?

I am not talking about potency, but the spores that drop. Some have said that it effects future flushes... is this another rumor that we are going to spread around or has anyone had real experience with this difference? I mean, a light dusting of spores on the casing layer couldn't really effect it to much could it?


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: Gatorade]
    #4299501 - 06/15/05 03:12 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

what the hell is with people saying "potentcy drops". i thought the rumor stated that "psilo is stopped being produced after the veil breaks while the mushroom itself continues to grow, therefore lowering the psilo to mushroom matter ratio".

so the rumor is that the psilo actually degrades after the veil breaks? thats completely retarted.


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Re: Psilocybin at its highest just as veil breaks...here's the source of the rumour [Re: yousuck]
    #4299575 - 06/15/05 03:28 PM (16 years, 5 months ago)

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so the rumor is that the psilo actually degrades after the veil breaks? thats completely retarted.




I agree, but that isn't the rumor. The rumor is that the psilocybin stops production when the veil breks.


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