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OfflineWanderingStudent
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Peruvian torch questions
    #4280530 - 06/10/05 05:18 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I was interested in getting a Peruvian torch, but my concern is that I may purchase something with an inconsequential mescaline concentration. Is that a possibility? If it is, are there places people know of where I could order cuttings?


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4280823 - 06/10/05 07:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The primary concern isn't if I can get sources. I'd just like to know I can find a "peruvian torch" and it will work the same. I had figured it was a much less common cactus than the san pedro, and I had thought that the torch would have less strains, since it's a great deal less common.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4280846 - 06/10/05 07:09 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

eBay is questionable, but the sponsors that have it are probably pretty good, although I have no first hand experience.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4281101 - 06/10/05 08:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Get a San Pedro. Lesser chance of happening what you fear.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: esin]
    #4282840 - 06/11/05 11:12 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I was hoping to learn more about the peruvian torch through answers given. Are there more strains of torches than san pedros? Are there simply less viable strains of torches?


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4282895 - 06/11/05 11:26 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yep there are many Torch varieties. Some are very good (perhaps better than the best pachanoi), some are very bad.

There are also many varieties/clones of San Pedro, but its potency is usually more consistent.

Not to say you won't find a very good torch, or a completely inactive Pedro. But AFAIK you stand a better chance of finding decent material with Pachanoi.

Go with reputable suppliers. E-bay is cheaper but you never know what you're getting.
I got mine from some local hippies. It was quite expensive but they definitely knew what they were propagating and selling :wink:


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: esin]
    #4282919 - 06/11/05 11:34 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ebay has always givin me good pedros. but dont take my word for it. just experiment and try different cacti's the alkaloids depend on many factors and its hard to be sure how potent a torch or pedro is.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: jben]
    #4282952 - 06/11/05 11:45 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Yep. I must say i never ordered anything from ebay so i really wouldn't know.
I was just assuming it's easier to get impotent stuff from there than from a reputable vendor.

But than again i have heard about impotent genetics being sold by some ethno stores.

Only way to be sure is to get it from someone who has actually bioassayed that particular clone. Perhaps you might be able to trade for one in the marketplace or something...?


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: esin]
    #4283159 - 06/11/05 12:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well put esin, you really cannot from any source tell how potent any cacti is, and even on ebay. there are many different sellers who could be trying to rip you off, but even then, i highly doubt they know how potent any of their cacti are. its mostly trial and error i suppose unless you bioassay it. but i would say you could never get a real impotent cacti where if you took lets say rougly 8-12 inches of pedro and you would feel nothing, i dont think that could happen? unless there were some real bad genetics.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: jben]
    #4283547 - 06/11/05 03:30 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I suppose that's my biggest problem at this point. Joeblow cactus dealer may have neither the knowledge, or the appreciation for my questions of "potency." I'm willing to propogate my entire garden from one cutting, but I'd rather start with very good genetics.


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What did you mean by:
"Perhaps you might be able to trade for one in the marketplace or something...?"


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: WanderingStudent]
    #4283601 - 06/11/05 03:45 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Have you seen the Marketplace forum yet?

There is one in this site, where people arrange trades and even sales.
But i don't know if your post count/reg date allows you to see it.

Check under the 'Community' cathegory. If there isn't a 'Marketplace' forum in there yet, hang around for a while, post some and you'll soon be able to access it.

I've seen cactus cuttings offered in there plenty of times.

EDIT: Jben, i've seen plenty of reports where 12" and even more didn't do much. I also found it strange considering that around 13" worth of Pedro extract blew my mind away for 12h+.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: esin]
    #4283627 - 06/11/05 03:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

well damn, yeah. ive had good luck i guess then. but. the matter of the fact, unless you have someone who has done the bioassay on the cacti, you could never know the potency. i think that can be the key point of this thread.

and yeah, you could get an entire garden from 1 cutting, but that could take years. or find some cacti with high potency, breed them, let them flower and seed, then plant the seeds.


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Re: Peruvian torch questions [Re: jben]
    #4283710 - 06/11/05 04:33 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You can start an entire cactus garden with one single plant of good genetics. It'll take you a few years but it is definitely feasible if you try to refrain from munching on them too often :wink:

It'd prolly take longer to grow a pedro from cutting to seeding and than wait years for the seedlings to develop into useable cacti.
And i read seeds aren't nearly as reliable in terms of good genes than clones.


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