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 Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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 Re: My new casing setup log  [Re: jokerGD]
#446724 - 11/04/01 02:32 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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you buy a coco coir brick at your local hydroponics store, just add water, and follow hongus? casing tek using moist (not wet) coco coir instead of vericulite.
http://mycotopia.net/teks/hongus.html
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Suntzu
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Just read this thread for the first time, what a great post. The excitement of a few weeks into a few minutes. Nice job with the matias.
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sir tokes when?s the second flush coming?
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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 Re: My new casing setup log [Re: SumGuy]
#447091 - 11/04/01 08:27 PM (22 years, 11 months ago) |
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seems it already came.
right now the casings are empty, thats why i havent posted anymore pics. seems it may start pinning though (i hope so!)
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MycoGlowFlow
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the best shroom you had was the enormous deformed one, by far. if i were you the second i saw it i would have shoved in my mouth and savored its fungul goodness. really nice work man.
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 Re: My new casing setup log [Re: MycoGlowFlow]
#449002 - 11/06/01 12:57 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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seems you were hesitant to mist the casings, or add extra moisture/ water.
Why was that?
Is there any reasons why you didn?t want to add extra water even tho they were looking dry? I sprayed mine regulary, sometimes saturated them, if i thought they had been dry for a few days. Is that bad, or were you just seeing what happened if you didn?t add extra water?
Anyway, congrats man nice grow. If that was your first grow, which if i recall you said it was at the top, then double congrats due, if i am mistaken don?t worry you can keep the double blessing haha
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: aenima]
#449271 - 11/06/01 05:56 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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oh i did mist every day, i usually took the pics before i misted.
i didnt saturate though, for some reason when i did that the shrooms aborted.
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Day 27 - after a while of nothing but tiny aborts, some more big healthy shrooms are growing again. i hope this flush is as huge as my previous ones...
BTW, in my previous flushes i have harvested a total of approx. 24 grams dry, not too shabby or a first try!
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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day 28 - more shrooms growing, harvested a couple who were big enough. not that many big ones right now though.
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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day 30 - setup goes to shit. well, that was a nice couple of casings, got about 1 ounce dried total. not too shabby, but tall the contams that just sptung up have killed the casings. you can see atleast 4 types of contams, and by the time you have read this i have composted the casings in my back yard. i had a good run, eh?
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Adom
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Nice crop!, I took about a year long hiatus from growing and now I?m just getting back into the swing of things, you did alot better than I did my first time, I did up twice as many jars and only got half as many shrooms, Nice work!
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Snobrdr311
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: Adom]
#457119 - 11/13/01 03:38 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sir Tokes, got a question..
what things are you going to do differntly on your next go around with casings? like what mistakes did you learn from that you won?t do again..
just curious.
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Snobrdr311
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: Snobrdr311]
#457120 - 11/13/01 03:39 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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besides not using the PF strain again for casings..lol
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: Snobrdr311]
#457250 - 11/13/01 06:01 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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eh, ill use my terrarium instead of a bag in a trunk( for security?s sake), and ill try to not over water the casings. AND NO MORE MATIAS ROMERO!!!!
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TrippinRhino
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There were a lot of items discussed in this thread?I will try to summarize with my two cents. I saw a lot of advice from people who are obviously regurgitating shit they read without understanding what the hell they were talking about?Others who had good advice. Here is what I thought:
Moisture
I begin seeing problems in the day 5 pics. The casing layer is already too dry. It is critical to keep the casing misted in the early stages of colonization. This is the time best for being able to water the casing without spraying directly onto any (or very little) mycelium. The more moisture you keep during this time, the less misting you will need later when the casing is pinning and fruiting. Allowing it to get dry early will cause you to have to mist frequently even while fruiting if you are going to keep things remotely moist. This results in matting of the mycelium during colonization and/or abhorting of the pins during fruiting. Anno described the moisture of the coir for you. His advice comes from hands on experience. You should able to squeeze a little water out of coir when it is applied. I agree that the casings should be covered with foil until they are colonized enough to initiate pinning. This MAY pose a risk if you are not sterilizing your coir. The increased CO2 present when covered will initiate faster colonizing of the casing but will also be a better habitat for contams like cobweb. I would at least microwave the coir in a Tupperware if nothing else.
Misting
When you mist you want your sprayer on the finest mist it can provide. Hold the bottle basically upright or just slightly pointed down. Do your fanning before misting. Hold the bottle about 1-2 feet above the casing and mist. Allow the fine mist to settle down upon the casing layer instead of spraying directly on it. You may need to pull the trigger 2 or 3 times but just get a light moistening and stop. If your casing layer does not have mycelium coming through yet and it is dry, you can mist all at once. Mist coir until it first turns dark brown again. When you see it starting to lighten up?it?s drying out. If you do not see mycelium for several days you have probably got it too wet?.stop misting and give air exchange?coir dries out quick. If you have mycelium coming through large portions of the casing, it will take you a few mistings to get the moisture content back up. Do this with several small mistings spread out over the course of a day. Open the terrarium mist lightly as described above. Pay special attention to the mycelium patches. If you can see ?dew? starting to form on any of the mycelium stop misting for now and wait. After about 4-6 hours you should be able to mist again. Again do not allow too much dew to collect on the mycelium. Re-hydrating a casing in this manner can be a little tedious but will pay off versus: 1. being too dry -or- 2. misting all at once and casing matting of the mycelium. It will pay off in the long run. Again, try to keep your casing from getting to this point by maintain your moisture early.
Overlay
Overlay is over colonization of the casing layer. Overlay is undesirable because it does not leave enough uncolonized, moist casing to cover the mycelium. This defeats the purpose of having casing. The least amount of mycelium showing to give an even pinset is optimum. On to the issue of you scratching this casing?I would not have scratched that casing after you had already initiated fruiting. Hyphal knots were no doubt forming and you destroyed many of them. Ironically, this may have helped you in the case of the PF strain. It may well have relieved some of the over-pinning problem. You left plenty of hyphal knots that developed into healthy pins but I suspect the sparse regions of your casing layer were places that unknowingly got more scratching than other parts. The pins you did get did not tend to abhort because there was plenty of mycelium and moisture to develop them into full grown mushies. I cannot believe the insane pinning in that pic Anno posted of that casing?I have had over pinning with EQs?but I have never seen anything like that! With most other strains I would suggest covering those heavily colonized parts of the casing with more coir. Leave valleys in the uncolonized areas and allow the mycelium to catch up. You want to see a little mycelium evenly protruding over the entire area of the casing rather than dense colonization in only a few areas or most of the area. Or if you have excessive matting as a result of overlay, scratch and place another thin layer of casing on top wait a few days until it colonizes and then initiate fruiting. Don?t scratch after you have initiated fruiting.
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: TrippinRhino]
#458875 - 11/15/01 12:35 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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thanks alot man, than halped ALOT. i was actually wondering about some of those question, (especially the overlay stuff.) I will definately do better next time i case, and will kep a log when i do. thanks to everybody for their help on my project, i have learned alot and will definately do much better next time. thanks again.
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: TrippinRhino]
#458879 - 11/15/01 12:37 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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so you think i should have initiated pinning with these casings on day 6, or earlier?
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They day 8 pics would be about where I would start the light. Day 9 already looks too far. This is where the patching of the early spots helps.
You got too much mycelium showing in the dense spots. Placing little casing hills in those areas so less area is showing will help the mycelium remain moist.
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Edited by TrippinRhino (11/15/01 12:55 AM)
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 Re: My new casing setup log [Re: TrippinRhino]
#459265 - 11/15/01 11:54 AM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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BTW those are some ugly looking contams. The green shit with the white edges is Trichoderma, the brown shit is Botrytis I believe and the grey fuzz is cobweb or perhaps just whispy mycelium...that pic is kinda blurry. The trichoderma no doubt came from the unsterilized coir. It shows up over night in the huge patches like that. It is fierce on your mycelium and mushies!
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Edited by TrippinRhino (11/16/01 01:28 PM)
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Sir Tokes-A-Lot
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Re: My new casing setup log [Re: TrippinRhino]
#459687 - 11/15/01 07:05 PM (22 years, 10 months ago) |
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so how do i prevent the trichoderma?
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