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I was also wondering if subbs and foes grow side by side at all. I just moved up to NC and was hunting the other day when i came across some Pans of some kind. Some had long white stems(foes) some had thicker stems and grew more in clusters. The ones that had thicker stems had traslucent striated caps that where also viscid. Just wondering weiliis are more of my thing but since i moved am trying to make the best of things. Oh yeah all where found in well fertilized grass.