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Psilocybe venenata - Japan
#4276541 - 06/09/05 03:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Photo from Japan of wild Psilocybe venenata. The photo color seems a bit off to me with those wild purple gills.

Image of first pin of cultivated Psilocybe venenata grown outdoors. I was able to convince the Japanese collector to send me a few gill fragments in an envelope. The mycelium is slow growing and thin on malt agar resembling P. baeocystis mycelium. Grass seed spawn was transfered to sterilized horse manure and then transfered to an outside bed when fully colonized. The patch was covered with twigs and wood debris in the early spring. Today the first pin was observed and upon closer examination a second large stump was found near the first. The initial pin is severely slug damaged (hidden on the back of the mushroom) and the stump is all that is left of the 2nd mushroom. Bluing is noted on the damage areas Slug killing bait has been placed around the mushrooms and hopefully more will emerge in the next few days.
This is pretty exciting since I wasn't even sure that the mycelium that was isolated from the gill fragments was even correct or that horse manure would support fruiting. I expect a good autumn harvest.
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Edited by Workman (06/09/05 03:23 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4278271 - 06/10/05 12:03 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very nice!~
Congrats!~
I hope you get more fruits bro.
tc
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Roadkill]
#4278716 - 06/10/05 03:09 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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this is really cool. i love the fact that new strains are beeing "discovered" from all over the world.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Mindzpore]
#4278729 - 06/10/05 03:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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species!~
its not a strain.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Roadkill]
#4278869 - 06/10/05 05:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yes, sorry, sometimes my english fails me (especially when ive just woke up). speices it is.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Roadkill]
#4280465 - 06/10/05 02:54 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Thanks. The slug bait decimated hundreds of slugs which left slime everywhere as they died. I don't think that will be a problem but it looks pretty gross. Already I see a few new pins and the weather is cool and drizzly. For some reason this species seems exceptionally attractive to the slugs and I think they were cropping them down to the ground daily. It was pure chance I noticed even one. Expect some new images in 7-10 days with luck.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4280948 - 06/10/05 05:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I appreciate the work you do!
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4281171 - 06/10/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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cool shit never herd of venenata
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: killboomers]
#4282206 - 06/11/05 12:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Nice work. Put a bunch of pennies around your mushroom patch. Slugs hate to crawl over copper. RR
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4282579 - 06/11/05 05:02 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the tip RR, was looking for a nicer way to deal with the slugs..
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: mattymonkey]
#4283786 - 06/11/05 02:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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cost less than 3 dollars for a huge patch
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: RogerRabbit]
#4284857 - 06/11/05 10:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is a good idea if done immediately after making the patch. Unfortunately, there were probably more slugs inside the patch that in the surrounding area. A ring of pennies would merely corral them in. The damaging slugs are introduced species (black and milky slugs) from europe and I have no qualms about killing invasive species (yeah, yeah I know I am introducing potentially invasive fungal species, so sue me).
I counted 5 new pins today and two new stumps. I am still losing some to the bastids.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4287081 - 06/12/05 02:13 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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i read about this stuff that you spread on the ground and it is like crushed up something. anyways it doesn't hurt your shrooms but it is very abrasive so when the slugs crawl over it they get cut thousands of times and dry out. I wish i could remember its name
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: xburn]
#4287095 - 06/12/05 02:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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accoring to http://www.haywardm.supanet.com/pesticides.html
# Dead slugs & snails left for a few days in water to ferment. # Dead slugs & snails ground up & diluted with water - potentised homeopathic spray - sprinkled over garden.
so catch a few and chop there heads of and place them on spikes like in medieval times and by by slugs.
and according to http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profiles0700/slugs.asp
A biological control specific to slugs, with no adverse effect on other types of animal, is available in the form of a microscopic nematode or eelwom that is watered into the soil. The nematodes (Phasmarhabditis hermaphrodita) enter slugs' bodies and infect them with bacteria that cause a fatal disease.
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Edited by xburn (06/12/05 03:42 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: xburn]
#4287334 - 06/12/05 03:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
xburn said: i read about this stuff that you spread on the ground and it is like crushed up something. anyways it doesn't hurt your shrooms but it is very abrasive so when the slugs crawl over it they get cut thousands of times and dry out. I wish i could remember its name
diatomaceous earth? i've been looking everywhere for the stuff, but it seems it's not easily obtainable in the UK. i was thinking of ordering some on the net myself (if any have recommendations)
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ding ding ding that is exactly what i was thinking of. people were recomending it for flies and stuff but its real purposes is snails and slugs
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If your looking for diatomaceous earth, you might want to ask at Swimming Pool Supply stores, its used in many of the large filter units, and you can buy replacement media for them.
Just a thought
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Shdwstr]
#4287870 - 06/12/05 05:01 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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thanks for the lead (i never heard of one of those shops, but i'll keep my eyes open)
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Doesn't look like there are alot of Pool Shops there. Hopefully this link will help.
Diatomaceous Earth
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Shdwstr]
#4290092 - 06/13/05 02:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Slugs and snails love beer. If you leave a bucket of slops in your garden they will all crawl in and drown.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: blackout]
#4290293 - 06/13/05 06:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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how well does this beer thing actually work?
would one small bucket take care of the whole garden?
seems like a cheap and easy way to get rid of them if it does work as you may not need to redo it when it rains..
has anyone had much experience with it?
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: mattymonkey]
#4290397 - 06/13/05 08:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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yeah i tried the beer deal around my garden years ago and it didn't work too well with slugs. alot of flying insects succumbed to it though. de has been the best bet for slugs and creepy crawlies. even though you have to reapply after rains it is still the best bet for your money. workman nice stuff, love the purple coloring. is this something that will be available in the near future? good luck peace
Edited by backupwards (06/13/05 07:13 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4291426 - 06/13/05 01:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Attempting to pull the thread back on course away from slug control.

They seem to match the published description so far. All of the slug eaten stumps are sprouting several new mushrooms. The middle and far right images are of the same area as the very first picture in the top post. The large mushroom is the original slug damage specimen that is still growing and now sprouting new mushrooms at its base. The light crumbly material in the left photo is slug bait.
Edited by Workman (06/13/05 03:12 PM)
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4292789 - 06/13/05 07:12 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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so do the purple up as they mature? will they be available anytime in the near future? peace
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: backupwards]
#4297119 - 06/14/05 10:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I think the purple is a photo artifact and the gills are not really that color. Depending on the success of this cultivation attempt, spores may be available in the near future.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4304141 - 06/16/05 02:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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This is very exciting, Workman ! I've spent nearly two years in Japan and never found any actives (i was especialy looking after Psilocybe Argentipes). Keep the good work ! We are all interested by your experimentations, thank you very much !
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
#4304305 - 06/16/05 03:31 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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GREAT WORK^man!!
Looks like a weilli a little so far in color an habitat?
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: KOPELANDIAA]
#4304407 - 06/16/05 04:00 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'd love to acquire P. argentipes myself. The P. venenata are coming along and are also becoming more abundant. The belly button like depression in the top of the cap is mentioned as a species specific trait in "Psilocybe Mushrooms of the World" by Paul Stamets. The last image looks suprisingly like baeocystis with the irregular folds on the cap margin. I also noted some fly damage (eggs and larvae tunnels) on the caps that might be distorting the shape.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4304599 - 06/16/05 04:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Quote:
Workman said: The last image looks suprisingly like baeocystis with the irregular folds on the cap margin.
yes it does look a little like a baeo. I found a patch of them several years ago in Burien, Wa.
Very nice grow!~
tc
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4311116 - 06/18/05 03:02 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Local weather conditions are staying favorable for mushroom growth. The largest one seems about ready for a print attempt. Many new small ones are also visible.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4320728 - 06/21/05 01:07 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I picked the large one and was unable to get a print. Perhaps I waited too long.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4329423 - 06/23/05 05:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4329803 - 06/23/05 06:46 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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very nice!~
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Roadkill]
#4338857 - 06/26/05 10:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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That's really cool. Once I get out of this dreaded Alaska, I'd like to start little projects like that outside, I think it's really cool how wood-lovers grow in the wild. There is only one strain up here that grows naturally and it's some sort of cyan, i forget though. It's a whopper of a mushroom though, I saw a picture once and it was huge.
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Re: Psilocybe venenata - Japan [Re: Workman]
#4343817 - 06/27/05 03:50 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Very well done sir!!! Always enjoy seeing the more exotic magic specie.......
What part of Japan are these guys native too? Any other info about them??
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