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Re: Zen [Re: ilithmar]
    #4270615 - 06/08/05 11:55 AM (17 years, 8 months ago)

The writings of Alan Watts have worth, but more from an intellectual and scholastic point of view. I first came across zen through reading The Way of Zen by Watts, but although he knew a lot about the subject of eastern philosophy and religion, in the end he was not at peace with himself and died an alcoholic. If you're interested in actually 'doing' Zen rather than learning about it, it's a good idea to find a zen group near where you live, or failing that read books by teachers who have walked the path themselves, people like like Robert Aitken, Shunryu Suzuki, Philip Kapleau and Bernard Glassman to name a few.


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Re: Zen [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4271175 - 06/08/05 07:18 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

Quote:

Huehuecoyotl said:
Here is what I found:
"Zen is the Japanese name of a well known branch of Mahayana Butthism, practiced originally in China as Chan, and subsequently in Aldaaran, Japan, and Vietnam. Zen emphasizes the role of meditation (zazen) in pursuing enlightenment. Besides this, it has been called "a complete waste of time, work, and art."
Zen is considered by some as not necessarily a Buddhist religion as a number of non-Buddhists, particularly Christians, have been formally acknowledged as Zen masters. Zen is often described as a way of life not dependent on one's particular culture.
Many youths in the Beat generation and among the hippies of the 1960s and 1970s misunderstood the goals and methods of Zen. While the scholar D.T. Suzuki may have brought attention to concepts in Zen such as humility, labor, service, prayer, gratitude, and meditation, the "hip" subculture often focused on states of consciousness in themselves. Japanese Zen master Zenkei Shibayama commented: "It may be true that the effect which such scientifically prepared drugs as LSD produce may have some superficial resemblance to some aspects of Zen experience.... When the effect of the drug is gone, the psychological experience one may have had is also weakened and dispersed, and does not endure as a living fact."
Note: This is researched info...not my take.




That is a rather inaccurate view of Zen. first of all, zen is not a branch of mahayana - this is a common misconception. There are no worship of Bodhisattvas as this is completely contrary to the teachings of Zen. Zen teachings say we are all sleeping Buddhas and our salvation, for lack of a better word, is in our hands not in the hands of some cosmic force. Zen is more of a form of Taoism.

As for westerner students of Zen being completely uninterested in humility, labor, service, prayer, gratitude, and meditation, the author of this short "description" of Zen has obviously not spent much time around a common western Zen center where such activities are always the norm.

Do you really consider this your "researched info"? Come on man.


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Re: Zen [Re: Vvellum]
    #4271860 - 06/08/05 10:03 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

The correct anwser to "What is Zen" would be a swift hit to the head.

Mu.


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Re: Zen [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #4271879 - 06/08/05 10:07 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

I think the simplest answer for understanding zen is thinking of a time you were experiencing zero resistance doing something, when it all flowed effortlessly. That's what being in the zen zone feels like to me.


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Re: Zen [Re: Rudra]
    #4271891 - 06/08/05 10:09 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

S far as i know its an act of caring, i take much care in making my fart as lound as possible.


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Re: Zen [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4271936 - 06/08/05 10:21 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

zen farting would be to do it without resistance or effort. :lol:

The neat thing about zen is how it can be applied to anything.


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Re: Zen [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4271985 - 06/08/05 10:30 PM (17 years, 7 months ago)

See my thought on zen is to take much privelage and care into every thing you do. Not overly concentrating just doing each mov with love and respect.


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Re: Zen [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #4272893 - 06/09/05 02:46 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

the only sermon the Buddha(shakyamuni)ever gave about zen was this;
he remained silent for 30 minutes,and simply held up a flower twirling it in his hands.


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Re: Zen [Re: ShroomDoom]
    #4273023 - 06/09/05 03:28 AM (17 years, 7 months ago)

How to be a Zen master:

Step 1)






<3


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Jumped in a river, what did I see?
Black eyed angels swimming with me
Moon full of stars and astral cars, all the figures I used to see
All my lovers were there with me
All my past and all my futures
We went to heaven in a little rowboat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt


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