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Invisiblep4kSouL
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HIV Cure Idea?
    #4272814 - 06/08/05 07:20 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking, since your body cant recognize HIV, meaning it cant be attacked and destroyed maybe a good idea would be to trick the HIV. I know little about HIV and virus' in general but I know they have a target cell they aim for. I know they destroy the memory T cells and I was thinking instead of trying to find something that would attack and destroy the virus maybe we would have to trick the virus a little bit. If they attack the killer T cells why don't we create little small FAKE memory T cells that were poisonous to HIV (they would be injected). It would trick the HIV into attacked the little fake memory T cells. When the HIV attacked the fake memory T cells, the fake T cells would some how disfunction the HIV virus. I have no idea how the fake memory T cells would be made (some good chemisest or something).
I'm bord as hell, I felt like saying something out of my head. This is probably a useless post.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4272823 - 06/08/05 07:25 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Brilliant!


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: Senor_Doobie]
    #4272826 - 06/08/05 07:26 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

when i was younger i had a brilliant idea of giving leukemia patients hiv to kill the crazy whit blood cells


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: Noetical]
    #4272839 - 06/08/05 07:33 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Did you ever take matters into your own hands?


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4272844 - 06/08/05 07:35 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

thats an interesting idea. Maybe you should propose it to a scientist, u never know.

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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: XUL]
    #4272855 - 06/08/05 07:37 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

But its so simple. There has to be a flaw in it. If it was THAT easy there would already be a cure.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4272864 - 06/08/05 07:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

This approach was attempted many years ago when people studied using soluble CD4. The idea was to barrage the virus with so many different places to bind to that there wouldn't be enough of it to bind to CD4 cells. Unfortunately, it had to be given by intravenous infusion and only lasted for a few minutes in the blood. Then we learned that there are other receptors besides CD4 that HIV uses to enter the CD4 cells. The idea isn't dead, but it's on the back-burner.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: XUL]
    #4272866 - 06/08/05 07:39 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

You are talking about lypocytes or whatever they are called. They are in the cells and they take various wastes and other materials and burn that shit up using acid. The problem is that the HIV virus will still attack the normal cells plus it is always changing form. I was thinking of cloning t cells in plasmids, letting those suckers multiply in the human body and keep the AIDS virus at bay. This however can create so many t cells that the body might start to kill itself. The best way to get rid of it is to block the markers on the T cells. The markers allow HIV to find the t cells and kill them.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: HELLA_TIGHT]
    #4272888 - 06/08/05 07:44 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

HELLA_TIGHT said:
Did you ever take matters into your own hands?




that made me laugh


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: downforpot]
    #4272901 - 06/08/05 07:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That's the problem because its always changing form. Its tricking your body. I think there is a way to trick the HIV back. My theory probably has some flaws but i seriously think that if scientist kept working on it, it would totally work. I mean why wouldn't it? Its not like the fake memory T cells are going to destroy your body.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4272905 - 06/08/05 07:51 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

The problem is making sure that the HIV only goes after the fake ones and I think t cells already have lypocytes they just don't work with the HIV. Well, I hope no one discovers the cure for aids before I'm out of college.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: downforpot]
    #4272945 - 06/08/05 08:02 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

IF the HIV virus infects though "normal" cells,it will continue to multiply and still harm you even if the fake cells would be attacked.

An idea though on the fake cells : The "destruction of HIV virus" part could be to code those cells to produce a protein that selectively cleaves ,thus destroys,the retrotranscriptase of the virus that HIV uses to turn its RNA into DNA.

Another idea,although far fetched ,would be gene therapy as a vaccine to make your cells procude by default the retrotranscriptase cleavage enzyme.One might say that the retrotranscriptase of HIV might mutate ,or to say it correctly mutated retrotranscriptase would be "selected" and survive,and thats why study should be made to see what exactly higher conformation the transcriptase has and statistically if it is possible for a mutated but still functional retrotranscriptase to exist....

Also what would taken into accoutn would be this cleavage enzyme to recognise a sequence on the transcriptase that it is unique....or even 2 or 3 different sites so that you mace sure the cleavage enzyme doesnt start to chop into bits some precious proteins of your body.Now ,you wouldnt want this enzyme to start attacking your nerve myelin ,your insulin or your enzymes that make your corticosteroids would you?

Thats my two cents,the virus might play a trick on you ,lets play a nasty trick back!


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: downforpot]
    #4272947 - 06/08/05 08:03 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

neat idea, you should try posting it on an HIV forum somewhere and see what the people with more knowledge have to say about it. if they ever do find a cure, I bet it will be thru outsmarting the virus, whether it be thru an injection or a genetic engineering.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4272951 - 06/08/05 08:04 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Hey man, I just wanna make a ton of money.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: downforpot]
    #4272963 - 06/08/05 08:09 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It's likely your body would attack the "Fake" lymphocytes as well. Also I think that once infected it would be nearly impossible to "outcompete" the naturally occurring lymphocytes with the fake ones.


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4273068 - 06/08/05 08:48 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

thanks, you just saved the world.

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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: badchad]
    #4273670 - 06/08/05 11:08 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

badchad said:
It's likely your body would attack the "Fake" lymphocytes as well. Also I think that once infected it would be nearly impossible to "outcompete" the naturally occurring lymphocytes with the fake ones.




Well your body wont attack the fake memory T cells because it would more likely think that is is already a memory T cell you know what I mean?


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4273686 - 06/08/05 11:11 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

It would be a great idea if it were a good idea.
I think it's a lot more complicated than that. Wouldn't you have to replace all of the cells? which is impossible


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easy [Re: p4kSouL]
    #4273690 - 06/08/05 11:14 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

easy


Edited by finding_self (04/18/06 10:36 PM)


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Re: HIV Cure Idea? [Re: finding_self]
    #4273697 - 06/08/05 11:17 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

I don't think it's all that brilliant really. I mean even if you have the fake T cells pumped with chemical, there will still be others that are not. So it might just make aids patients live longer


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