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 Swami
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 Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree  [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#4265169 - 06/06/05 07:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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There was a large orange glowing ball (not a distant spot) drifting slowly above watter between two islands, the whole event lasted for maybe half hour until the ball went away into the horizond and dissapeared as if it crashed into the watter.
A half hour is a long time. There were no boats, planes or helicopters that could have traveled a few miles to check it out?
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Swami]
#4265245 - 06/06/05 07:43 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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m00nshine is currently vacationing in Maui. Rumor has it he got rolled by drunken natives and is currently prostituting himself in order to pay for airfare back to the mainland but he's having trouble juggling a hairon addiction. He won't be back for a long while.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Swami]
#4265253 - 06/06/05 07:45 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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well no, you should see how long does it take to get a medical choper to get to one of those islands to help someone. Those people are pretty isolated there. The police patrol was doing that job of checking it out, that's all.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree *DELETED* [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Ravus]
#4265345 - 06/06/05 08:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Ravioli, read up on the Phoenix Lights where some 10,000 people were certain they had witnessed a mothership or something equally extraordinary when in fact it was ordinary military flares.
These witnesses ONLY erred on
1. the location (they were off by 50 miles)
2. the size (they thought it was HUGE - miles across)
3. the point of origin (non-terran)
4. the description (flare not a ship)
5. speed and direction (they fell - not moved across the city)
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: roby000]
#4265357 - 06/06/05 08:02 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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1. Mig doesn't stand in air above one spot and then decides to go away after a while
2. It was day
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Swami]
#4265421 - 06/06/05 08:16 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I get easily caught up in these UFO and aliens thoughts, and I do check the night sky everytime I get the chance, to see if I can spot something that people talk about.
And I have seen many things that might be mistaken for UFO's, like very fast silent planes with continuous light (not flashing) or falling meteors. But I have not deluded myself into thinking I am seeing UFO's
So here I am to you, a living proof that a belief or expectance does not have to influence perception or judging of the perception.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Swami]
#4265427 - 06/06/05 08:19 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Swimmybra, tell me:
If S claims that J's view of an unidentified object is a hoax, doesn't the burden of proof land on S?
If S claims that J's view of an unidentified object is a weather balloon despite the fact that he himself did not see it, doesn't the burden of proof land on S to prove that J's view was a weather balloon? And if S has no evidence, doesn't that mean S is taking a leap of faith in confirming to himself what J says was a weather balloon without supporting evidence?
And yes, S is for Swamibear and J is for Jiggybosoms, if you were wondering.
We can look at past cults that have committed mass suicide over UFOs, but that, Swamibear, seems to be a red herring. It's not relevant to this individual case where a mostly sane J sees an unidentified object and skeptic S assumes it's a weather balloon/ hoax without supporting evidence to back up his claims.
The same burden of proof falls on the person who would claim J's view is a hoax as would fall on the person who claims J's view is an alien. Whenever you make a claim to explain away an event, the need for evidence falls on you. Of course it'd be much easier to meet the requirements for evidence for the person saying it's a hoax, since it usually is, but that doesn't mean we can now assume everything's a hoax without supporting evidence in new cases.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Ravus]
#4265444 - 06/06/05 08:23 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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So Jiggy saw an UFO? I didn't know she was psychotic, gee we've got to help her somehow...
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
#4266405 - 06/07/05 12:36 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Thing is.. UFO means Unidentified Flying Object.
As in, we don't know what the hell it is.
If 95% of "UFO" sightings are false -- that is, they are known objects merely misidentified by onlookers -- that doesn't mean 5% are alien spacecraft.
It just means that the source of the "UFO" isn't known.
It could be a weather balloon that simply was launched by a private citizen! It could be a flare someone fired off. It could be an ultralight plane with lights on the wings (that's been done before, and was quite funny -- people thought it was a bunch of flying saucers moving in formation  ).
To make the jump and assume that the remaining 5% of objects that cannot be identified MUST be ALIEN SPACECRAFT.. well, that's quite a jump.
All we can say is: We don't know what it was.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Mushmonkey]
#4266445 - 06/07/05 12:44 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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The main proof against aliens visiting Earth is the speed of light. You can go on about bending space or Warp drives, but there is no evidence that such loopholes in the lightspeed problem exist. This is merely the Fi in SciFi.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4266806 - 06/07/05 06:08 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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Huehuecoyotl said:
The main proof against aliens visiting Earth is the speed of light. You can go on about bending space or Warp drives, but there is no evidence that such loopholes in the lightspeed problem exist. This is merely the Fi in SciFi.
like i said in another thread, they could have grown on mars and migrated ito space and moons in artificial environments
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4266929 - 06/07/05 07:12 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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light speed spacecraft aren't necessary for travelling between stars. a good old rocket will do the job as long as you can keep any beings that may be inside alive and functioning.
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Swami]
#4267386 - 06/07/05 11:04 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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lol @ this thread
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Ego Death]
#4267401 - 06/07/05 11:08 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I knew you would stop by. You can no more resist than a moth can resist a flame. 
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: THE KRAT BARON]
#4267458 - 06/07/05 11:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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mattzdope said:
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mattzdope said:
Do you believe that it's possible for other forms of intelligent life to exist off in very very distant glaxay somewhere in this infinite universe?
Swami?
Yes, i wonder why he won't answer  , he knows the most logical answer is "Yes". But that might put him in a very undesirable position...
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Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
#4267503 - 06/07/05 11:39 AM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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There is no evidence of the lightspeed problem!!!
Einstein himself said it was just theory and an incomplete one at that!
In fact, all modern science points to their not being a lightspeed barrier. Check out quantum mechanics!
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 Re: Where UFO believers and skeptics agree [Re: Ego Death]
#4269295 - 06/07/05 07:07 PM (19 years, 3 months ago) |
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I always get a kick when people who know just enough pop science to be dangerous show up and start making things up. 
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.
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