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OfflineDivided_Sky
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Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's
    #4267866 - 06/07/05 03:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's Tue Jun 7, 5:09 AM ET

BOSTON - Sen. John F. Kerry (news, bio, voting record)'s grade average at Yale University was virtually identical to President Bush's record there, despite repeated portrayals of Kerry as the more intellectual candidate during the 2004 presidential campaign.

Kerry had a cumulative average of 76 and got four Ds his freshman year ? in geology, two history courses and political science, The Boston Globe reported Tuesday.

His grades improved with time, and he averaged an 81 his senior year and earned an 89 ? his highest grade ? in political science as a senior.

"I always told my dad that D stood for distinction," Kerry said in a written response to reporters' questions. He said he has previously acknowledged focusing more on learning to fly than studying.

Under Yale's grading system in effect at the time, grades between 90 and 100 equaled an A, 80-89 a B, 70-79 a C, 60 to 69 a D, and anything below that was a failing grade.

In 1999, The New Yorker magazine published a transcript showing Bush had a cumulative grade average of 77 his first three years at Yale, and a similar average under a non-numerical rating system his senior year.

Bush's highest grade at Yale was an 88 in anthropology, history and philosophy. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy, and improved his grades after his freshman year, the transcript showed.

Kerry, a Democrat, previously declined to release the transcript, which was included in his Navy records. He gave the Navy permission to release the documents last month, the Globe reported.

Kerry graduated from Yale in 1966, Bush in 1968


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4267974 - 06/07/05 03:34 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Interesting, but I don't recall Kerry ever calling Bush stupid or insulting his academic record.

And I think we all know that good grades do not imply smarts and smarts do not imply good grades.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4267997 - 06/07/05 03:37 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I wonder what their grades were in "public speaking"?


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4268000 - 06/07/05 03:38 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I think in college, good grades does imply smarts. (unless you only take BS classes)

Your other statement is true though, smarts doesnt imply good grades. Im living proof.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: DieCommie]
    #4268080 - 06/07/05 03:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I dont know, I'm currently in school, and frankly some people that I have met in various honors societies.... welll....

Frankly I'm surprised they remember how to open their eyes every morning when they wakeup.


How they tie their shoes and make it to school is beyond me.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: YidakiMan]
    #4268127 - 06/07/05 03:52 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

My friend was a semi finalist for that SAT shit. He is really good in math, he crashed his car 7 times in less than one month, not to mention tons of other shit.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: downforpot]
    #4268159 - 06/07/05 03:59 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

so what, did you know that he served in Viet Nam?


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: lonestar2004]
    #4268183 - 06/07/05 04:03 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

haha


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4268661 - 06/07/05 06:02 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

A fucking D in geology.
So glad I didn't vote for him.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Gijith]
    #4268809 - 06/07/05 06:55 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'm simply amused how similar their records were. Not trying to say anything partisan about it, that Kerry is really dumb, or that he ever called Bush stupid. I just find it interesting.

Bush's best grades were in anthropology, history and philosophy. Kind of surprising. I still got better grades than both of them.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4268861 - 06/07/05 07:14 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

:whocares:

anyway: grades are indicators of effort, not intelligence.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4268872 - 06/07/05 07:17 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

You went to Yale?

If not, then it's a bit different to compare the grades from other schools to an ivy league school like Yale. Both Bush and Kerry are intelligent I believe, but Bush has more practical intelligence in the way he appeals to the common man. He's either very strategic and intelligent, or he's genuinely lost much of his intelligence in the past few decades.

Personally, I believe the former seems more likely. If he acts simple and appeals to the common man, people will only have the basic expectations for him to represent them, and when things go wrong he can blame it on other people. This wouldn't have worked with Kerry, who was painted out as a snobby intellectual.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Ravus]
    #4269145 - 06/07/05 08:29 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
You went to Yale?

If not, then it's a bit different to compare the grades from other schools to an ivy league school like Yale. Both Bush and Kerry are intelligent I believe, but Bush has more practical intelligence in the way he appeals to the common man. He's either very strategic and intelligent, or he's genuinely lost much of his intelligence in the past few decades.

Personally, I believe the former seems more likely. If he acts simple and appeals to the common man, people will only have the basic expectations for him to represent them, and when things go wrong he can blame it on other people. This wouldn't have worked with Kerry, who was painted out as a snobby intellectual.




No, for the most part I don't think you're right there. The hard part about the Ivys is getting in, after that they are pretty comparable grade-wise to any serious university. Michigan State, top SUNYs and UCs, Baylor, there's plenty ,more. Chicago.

Neither are idiots and I too got better grades than them. Don't mean shit.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4269319 - 06/07/05 09:16 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Doesn't mean shit.




The quality of education is extremely variable. I agree that it's not entirely the school, but the school does play a part in it. If you went to a community college or went to MIT, chances are you may have noticeable differences in your experience, and possibly also your grades.

Grades are overrated anyway, whether in elementary school or in college. Much of the time they simply measure the effort you put into projects and cramming information rather than the true knowledge and experience you gain.

Most of the people that try to insult Bush's intelligence seem to miss the vital fact that he is wildly successful for being an "idiot". Obviously he's doing something right, and I'm guessing a lot of that something has to do with the liberals and democrats constantly underestimating him because he paints himself out to be simple. They did it in Texas, they did it for his first term, they did it for his second. By the time they learn from their mistakes, Bush will be long retired with the knowledge he has lived an influential and powerful life.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4270457 - 06/08/05 03:11 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

VOTE TODAY

DO YOU WANT THE MILLIONAIR YALE GRADUATE, MEMBER OF A SECRET SOCIETY, WITH QUESTIONABLE MILITARY SERVICE RECORD OR... the other guy.


Wait, whos tho?


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Ravus]
    #4285012 - 06/12/05 01:43 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

Ravus said:
You went to Yale?

If not, then it's a bit different to compare the grades from other schools to an ivy league school like Yale. Both Bush and Kerry are intelligent I believe, but Bush has more practical intelligence in the way he appeals to the common man. He's either very strategic and intelligent, or he's genuinely lost much of his intelligence in the past few decades.

Personally, I believe the former seems more likely. If he acts simple and appeals to the common man, people will only have the basic expectations for him to represent them, and when things go wrong he can blame it on other people. This wouldn't have worked with Kerry, who was painted out as a snobby intellectual.




I went to a private liberal arts school that had a heavy emphasis on writting and class discussion. They don't hand out good grades.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #4288529 - 06/12/05 09:46 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

On writting????????


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: zappaisgod]
    #4288548 - 06/12/05 09:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

is that strange to you?

Most universities, esp private liberal arts schools, use grade scales to curb A's to a minimum. Some schools like certain ivy leagues inflate scores, others deflate them.

But in general, for writing, they do not hand out good grades.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: vampirism]
    #4289152 - 06/12/05 11:53 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The Ivy's are beginning to alter their grading systems so that it would follow a bell curve.

For most of my courses 93-100 is an A, 84-92 a B, 76-83 a C, 68-75 a D.

As for the sweeping claims being made in this thread...HAH.


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Re: Kerry's Yale Grades Similar to Bush's [Re: orechron]
    #4289175 - 06/12/05 11:58 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

grades themselves ARE irrelevant though.

As an example, my sister excelled in one of her classes and was pretty clearly the best in it. At the end of the term, when grades were given, she got a B and everyone else had some sort of an A. She asked her professor WTF was going on, and he said it was to set her apart from the others because she was better. Interesting.


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