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    #4267137 - 06/07/05 11:11 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I find it hilarious when people say: "do you have some links to back that up?" or something like that, as if that is going to prove anything.

The only way to really prove something is to go to go to a lab yourself during some experiment and have some scientific knowledge that would prevent someone from tircking you right in front of your eyes. Even then there can be an error in the experiemnt. Which is why every month there are so many scientific news that are contradictory to last months scientific news, things get proven, then disproven, then proven again. etc.

In 21st century there is no real way of proving anything, pictures are not proof, video is not proof, papers, documents, everything can be faked in ones home.

In the information age, since everything is transformed into a word, everything can be a lie, which could leave us with only one option if we are to consume any information: to trust as we used to trust our fellow willagers centuries ago.


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Re: proof [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4267156 - 06/07/05 11:23 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

"The only way to prove, is to prove you are proving!"
-Unknown :P


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Re: proof [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4267276 - 06/07/05 12:25 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

How do you think governments get away with so much?

...remember all that proof proudly exhibited to verify Saddam's WMD and the 45min capability before and after Iraq's liberation?


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Re: proof [Re: Gomp]
    #4267357 - 06/07/05 12:52 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
"The only way to prove, is to prove you are proving!"
-Unknown :P




but then you have to prove that your intention is to prove you are prooving etc etc.

You can go around into infinity like that

It's easier to say: trust me


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Re: proof [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4267373 - 06/07/05 12:59 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Most people realise that their is proof of nothing other than maybe that you can think (I think therefore I am).

'Proof' / 'Links' is just something else they pull out the bag in the game of one-up-manship.


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Re: proof [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4267375 - 06/07/05 01:00 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

... and what about when scientific knowledge or technology is not able to prove a thing. Does it make it untrue ?

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Re: proof [Re: MAIA]
    #4267404 - 06/07/05 01:09 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

what? I don't understand what you are talking about


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Re: proof [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4267434 - 06/07/05 01:18 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Imagine there's a new wave length unknown or undetectable to any scientific instrument. Does it exist ?

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yes [Re: MAIA]
    #4267459 - 06/07/05 01:28 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yes of course that wave length exists. and infinate others


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Re: yes [Re: hardiment]
    #4267512 - 06/07/05 01:40 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Greetings ...

Sadly enough, the answer is "no". Science only recognizes the existence of something after proving its existence. Seems dumb ? Well it is, but it's rational at the same time.
Anyway, don't you feel someday, we'll be able to create a new process allowing us to go through this rational handicap and find an answer ?

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Re: proof [Re: MAIA]
    #4267571 - 06/07/05 01:56 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Quote:

MAIA said:
Imagine there's a new wave length unknown or undetectable to any scientific instrument. Does it exist ?

MAIA





well if it exists, then it exists


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Re: yes [Re: MAIA]
    #4267758 - 06/07/05 02:44 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Too true. And that's why reason without faith is as ignorant as faith without reason.


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