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So, why do we sleep?
    #4264546 - 06/06/05 06:55 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)



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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Gomp]
    #4264578 - 06/06/05 07:08 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

The mechanism of sleep, like many brain functions, is poorly understood, but sleep itself is an evolutionary result. Animals must rest, and if they are awake and moving while resting, they will attract predators at the worst possible time (when they are tired).

Sleep immobilizes the animal so it can rest and not attract predators.

A better question might be: Why do we dream?


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Gomp]
    #4264594 - 06/06/05 07:13 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Because we have sent the girlfriend home, there is nothing on late-night TV, our bellys are bloated from snacking and beer and the herb has run out. What else would you have us do?


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Diploid]
    #4264618 - 06/06/05 07:20 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

A better question might be: Why do we dream?

Or, why do animals dream.....?
---Seems a bit distracting if (dreaming) sleep is a survival mechanism....(?)


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Swami]
    #4264768 - 06/06/05 08:06 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Because we have sent the girlfriend home, there is nothing on late-night TV, our bellys are bloated from snacking and beer and the herb has run out. What else would you have us do?




for me it's usually like this:

it is so late that sun is going to rise soon, and night is running out, so if I don't go to bed now and catch the last hours of dark, I'll have to wait for the next night


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Swami]
    #4264786 - 06/06/05 08:13 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Because we have sent the girlfriend home, there is nothing on late-night TV, our bellys are bloated from snacking and beer and the herb has run out. What else would you have us do?




I love you!

and I rest..

Seriously anyone? why do we sleep? what is sleep?

a dream is thinkable, but i just get nothing, when thinking of sleep..
I get "the brain never sleep" but I give shit about that! he he

I'd fucking blow my head of, if it were guaranteed by anyone/something that it would result in some god damn rest, not resulting in waking up, wanting to go to bed and sleep.. he he..

some more background maybe? I lay in my bed til I no longer lay there, then when returning to body, to piss, work, or whatever. I get up, still as tired as not, juts wanting rest for all in the world..


ah this is just a ramble anyways, going nowhere!

"In a dream, its tricky sleeping"
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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Swami]
    #4265112 - 06/06/05 09:17 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Swami said:
Because we have sent the girlfriend home, there is nothing on late-night TV, our bellys are bloated from snacking and beer and the herb has run out. What else would you have us do?




Oh come on Swami, You know! What's the one thing a bored guy does when all alone. :grin:


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: eMotionALLmotion]
    #4265556 - 06/06/05 10:55 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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eMotionALLmotion said:
A better question might be: Why do we dream?

Or, why do animals dream.....?
---Seems a bit distracting if (dreaming) sleep is a survival mechanism....(?)




Dreaming (IMO) really isnt that hard to understand.
When your sleeping, your brain is still processing information, still thinking.
The body is resting but the brain is still running.

The random ramblings of our brain, while we sleep, that are remembered, are called dreams.
The random ramblings of the brain, while we are awake, are called daydreams.
They are, in essence, the same thing, one just happens to occur while we are sleeping.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: niteowl]
    #4265567 - 06/06/05 10:59 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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niteowl said:
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eMotionALLmotion said:
A better question might be: Why do we dream?

Or, why do animals dream.....?
---Seems a bit distracting if (dreaming) sleep is a survival mechanism....(?)




Dreaming (IMO) really isn't that hard to understand.
When your sleeping, your brain is still processing information, still thinking.
The body is resting but the brain is still running.

The random ramblings of our brain, while we sleep, that are remembered, are called dreams.
The random ramblings of the brain, while we are awake, are called daydreams.
They are, in essence, the same thing, one just happens to occur while we are sleeping.




How bout dreaming, and knowing you are dreaming?

(is this a uncommon thing to do BTW? it seems only certain people consider this possibility)

And again.. Anyone who know what sleeping is?
I got a grasp on dreaming, I'm dreaming right now, but how does one sleep? what does it constitute?  :grin:


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Gomp]
    #4265578 - 06/06/05 11:01 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Simple...because we are sleepy.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Gomp]
    #4265582 - 06/06/05 11:02 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

How bout dreaming, and knowing you are dreaming?

Its called "lucid dreaming".
There are ways to learn how to do this.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: niteowl]
    #4265620 - 06/06/05 11:13 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

If what you say is true, why is there a specific stage for "deep sleep" or non-REM sleep, where we don't dream, and a specific stage for REM sleep where we do dream? Obviously dreams play an evolutionary role, and I don't think the random firings of your brain would create such in-depth plots and settings.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: niteowl]
    #4265622 - 06/06/05 11:14 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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How bout dreaming, and knowing you are dreaming?

Its called "lucid dreaming".
There are ways to learn how to do this.




ha ha, would you care to read my post again, applying the knowledge, that i knew that?  :grin:
or need i rephrase the question?


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4265625 - 06/06/05 11:15 PM (12 years, 22 days ago)

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Huehuecoyotl said:
Simple...because we are sleepy.




so... what is sleepy then?
and I do got a dictionary...

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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Gomp]
    #4265879 - 06/07/05 12:17 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

Come on...you have been sleepy before, so you know what it is. A definition would serve no purpose. Sometimes something is just what it is and only that. Nothing could be simpler than being sleepy and going to sleep. If you want to be all scientific you could say:
"The state of sleep is an anabolic state marked by physiological processes of growth and rejuvenation of the organism's immune and nervous systems. Studies suggest sleep restores neurons and increases production of brain proteins and certain hormones. The state of wakefulness is a temporary hyperactive catabolic state during which the organism acquires nourishment and procreates. Answering the question "Why do we awaken" puts us in the correct perspective to understand that sleep is the essential state of life itself. Anything that any organism does while awake is superfluous to the understanding of life's metabolic processes, the two balancing states of sleep and wakefulness."
But is this really necessary to understand something so simple that it is instinctive.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4265895 - 06/07/05 12:21 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

If you think of it that way, why is anything necessary? We don't need to understand respiration, as we do it anyway. Reproduction? Who cares, as long as we get the right orifice and feel pleasure we know babies will eventually pop out. There's no need to understand anything, right?

But you've actually supplied the most useful information in this entire thread.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Ravus]
    #4265946 - 06/07/05 12:32 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

"Who cares, as long as we get the right orifice and feel pleasure we know babies will eventually pop out."

If someone had told me this it would have saved me a lot of trouble from all of the babies popping out.


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4266120 - 06/07/05 01:18 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

brain needs time to sort and file the information it received throughout the day?


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: uriahchase]
    #4266121 - 06/07/05 01:19 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

to create memories...or to erase over old ones and


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Re: So, why do we sleep? [Re: Ravus]
    #4266148 - 06/07/05 01:28 AM (12 years, 22 days ago)

What is memory and what do you perceive, as you read this?

Our perception, on this, may differ a lot, from the environment in which it is typed.
Still, it is the same words.
The words you under-stand/-stood, we all have in our memory. (As learned from others)
Nevertheless, the contexts of these words, (unless you know it by now), is not in your memory.

What word, you will read after this ? ?is? now know by you.
However, before you perceived it, it was in my memory.

My memory, being my brain patterns, resembling this text on my computer, not yet posted, still personal. As I post it later, it is seen in multiple versions, all over the internet, included in our memory, and is no longer being personally perceived by only me, but is also perceived, as your personal take, on it.

Knowledge from the past (me typing this), combined with this immediate present (you reading this), is to me, in the future.

How do we avoid confusing the past/future, the perceived, with the knowledge from a past?
Is there any thing to avoid confusing? Is there any difference? Am I not present, here with you now?

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