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InvisibleSwami
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Clean Flix
    #4262623 - 06/06/05 04:55 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Clean Flix is one of several "family-oriented" companies that re-edit Hollywood films to take out the "naughty" or offensive parts such as drug usage, vulgarity, sex and violence.

Hollywood has sued them and vice versa over copyright laws. Clean Flix buys one legitimate copy for everyone they release and say that are not violating the law.

Hollywood writers and directors counter that it is not about money, but about artistic intent. They contend that Clean Flix is changing content without permission.

I have to go with Hollywood on this one though Clean Flix has much backing in the highly "moral" US Congress and may get their way.

Note that the Clean Flix editing crew watches non-stop filth in order to protect others from filth. Of course, they are somehow "immune" to the destructive affects and also are the ultimate arbiters of what is offensive.

Naturally, these companies are predominantly Christian-based and claim Biblical teachings as the touchstone of what is filthy. Extra funny as the Bible is full of sexual stories and violence - go figure!


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Swami]
    #4262629 - 06/06/05 05:02 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

you have excellent grammar.. do you spell check?

Also I'm curious asto why you are on the shroomery.. I thought you didn't even do shrooms? Aren't you rich from what I've heard about you? yet you spend so much time here? I don't blame you tho I do the same :laugh:


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: duster]
    #4262630 - 06/06/05 05:06 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

oh and good post.. heard about this shit before its fucking retarded.. i remember when some movie theatres were taking out the sex scene out of titanic and it caused abuncha shit hah. If people are never exposed to whats out there in the world what will they do if they ever face it? Run in fear from a naked woman? Ending up a 50 yo virgin? hmm!


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: duster]
    #4262697 - 06/06/05 08:15 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

> you have excellent grammar.. do you spell check

I have horrid grammar and my spelling abilities are below avarage, but I can out program any English teacher ever born in any computer language ever written.  What is your point?  Grammar and spelling have nothing to do with the topic being introduced for discussion.  (If you were making a compliment rather than a sly comment, I apologize.)

> Clean Flix buys one legitimate copy for everyone they release and say that are not violating the law.

Hmmm... this is a hard one.  Can I buy a book, change the story a bit, and resell the book without violating a copyright?  What if I just draw a little red star in the corner of each page... something small and minor.  What about a song on the radio when I bleep out a 'bad' word, does this change to the song violate the copyright?  Does a scratch on the cover of a book violate the copyright?

To keep it simple, I have to side with the artist in this case.  If the person producing the work doesn't want it changed, then that is that... what right do I have to change somebodies elses work to make it less offensive to others.  None, at all.  If the person producing the work allows me to bleep out bad words, or change it from offensive to bland, then fine... but if they say no, then I have no right to change their vision, or the results of their labor.

Finally, every single movie that I own says "licenced for home use only".  Are the censors not breaking the terms of the licence agreement by altering the video?  If they are buying a copy to change and resell, then they are not buying the copy for home use only.  Seems to me that the RIAA has a much better lawsuit target than song swappers.

> Extra funny as the Bible is full of sexual stories and violence - go figure!

Yes, but they use the word 'beget' instead of 'fucked' so it isn't dirty.  Can you image if the Bible read like:

Abraham fucked his wife and she squeezed out Isaac; and Isaac scored with the girl next door and nine months later Jacob was born; and Jacob got caught with his pants down playing with the mayors daughter, but not in time to prevent the unholy conception of Judas; and ...

... actually, that isn't too bad.  I think Mel could have made a lot more money with the Passion of Christ had he used a bit more modern definition of passion.    :grin:


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Seuss]
    #4262702 - 06/06/05 08:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

lol seuss are you swami? im confused :]


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: duster]
    #4262722 - 06/06/05 08:55 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

> lol seuss are you swami? im confused

Nah, but I have that confusing effect on people... including myself. Had events been just a bit different in my life, I could see myself going down the same path as Swami... we have a lot of the same interests, ideas, and opinions... of course, we have a lot of differences as well.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Swami]
    #4262822 - 06/06/05 10:24 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

The only question I have is if they could sell me a 'clean' version of Scarface. Sometimes you've only got 5 minutes to see a movie.. why not see it 'all'?

I think I'm going to be forced to disagree with what they're doing. If you don't want to see, or your kids to see, all the horrible stuff in a movie.. don't watch that movie.

I say forced because I realized how much I grumble every time George Lucas changes one of his OWN movies (Greedo shoots at Han first? C'mon that ruins the entire Han Solo character).

It's akin to having people paint over nudity in classic works of art. I have yet to encounter any reliable report of a bare breast causing anyone any harm.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: duster]
    #4262896 - 06/06/05 10:59 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

duster said:
you have excellent grammar.. do you spell check?

Also I'm curious asto why you are on the shroomery.. I thought you didn't even do shrooms? Aren't you rich from what I've heard about you? yet you spend so much time here? I don't blame you tho I do the same :laugh:




He doesn't do shrooms?  :shocked: He's rich?  :shocked:


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Icelander]
    #4263034 - 06/06/05 12:07 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

it is a well known fact that rich people, and non shroom-users have great grammar.... including GWB.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Swami]
    #4263114 - 06/06/05 12:31 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I'll have to disagree with all of you on this one although I despise this ruining of art. I really don't believe in copyright and in owning ie airwaves (pay-tv etc).

I think the removal of such laws will pay off in the long run. People can't stay this stupid forever, and would hopefully not provide sufficient support for clean fixes to survive. I really can't think of a horrible idea like this ever succeeding in Norway though. :grin:

The products and edit's should be carefully marked and described on both the cover and as intro before movie started.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Icelander]
    #4263124 - 06/06/05 12:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

He has done his own bodyweight in shrooms btw. :grin: Plus journeyed the Milky Way on Yage. Heheh. He has even made love to the universe, each thrusth consciously cosmic. :rotfl: Wow, the swamster is one crazy cat.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: dorkus]
    #4263193 - 06/06/05 01:01 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I really don't believe in copyright

What gives you the right to decide the fate of MY original creative work? Work that I may have spent years of my life and much of my money developing?


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Diploid]
    #4263284 - 06/06/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

So what this really means is that somewhere there is a warehouse full raw, unedited, hardcore porn that hasn't made its way to the Christian cutting board...

I must find it.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Diploid]
    #4266766 - 06/07/05 07:41 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

What gives you the right to decide the fate of MY original creative work? Work that I may have spent years of my life and much of my money developing?

Once it is out there, it is out there. It becomes patterns in your brain, and god forbid ever someone using copycat-patterns. :grin:

What can we do? Where to draw the line?

If I spend one year developing the craziest, wildest riffs on my guitar, should it be copyrighted after release? Or should one allow people to sample it, play with it and let the flow take it's course furthur(!) down it's own line?

Credits should be sufficient.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: dorkus]
    #4270832 - 06/08/05 08:09 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

> Once it is out there, it is out there.

So I should be able to take anything I see or hear and slap my name on it as an original work of mine? It is out there, and my brain did interpret patterns and such, therefore, I guess it is mine. Hmmm... so if I see your house, I guess that is mine as well... it is out there and patterns in my brain and stuff...

> If I spend one year developing

Then you should have the right to decide if you want to give it away for free or if you want to charge for it.

> Credits should be sufficient.

And often are... look at open source software for a good example. However, I am not going to tell Micro$oft that they have to give their buggy software away for free. If they want to charge insane prices for it, then fine. If they want to give it away for free, then fine. It is their right to decide because they are the ones that created the stuff in the first place.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: dorkus]
    #4271120 - 06/08/05 11:50 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Censorship is always bad. I also think that if you don't approve of the content for artistic media then don't look at it. This, of course, does not qualify as censorship due to the fact that the original is still available for viewing. dr_mandelbrot you have a fine point, and I have to agree with you. I share your views on so called "copyright". The freedom of the individual take precedence.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: dorkus]
    #4271261 - 06/08/05 12:43 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

dr_mandelbrot said:
What gives you the right to decide the fate of MY original creative work? Work that I may have spent years of my life and much of my money developing?

Once it is out there, it is out there. It becomes patterns in your brain, and god forbid ever someone using copycat-patterns. :grin:

What can we do? Where to draw the line?

If I spend one year developing the craziest, wildest riffs on my guitar, should it be copyrighted after release? Or should one allow people to sample it, play with it and let the flow take it's course furthur(!) down it's own line?

Credits should be sufficient.




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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Diploid]
    #4271299 - 06/08/05 12:51 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

Produce something profound enough that people want to copy or modify it or even so called "steal" it according to copyright law, and you will still be sufficiently monetarily compensated. The movie and record industries are a scam intended to promote to the public the artists that these industries like...not what we like.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4271410 - 06/08/05 01:23 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

I worked about 10,000 hours (no exaggeration) to create the world's best backgammon software program. It was heavily pirated and I figure I made abou $0.06 an hour due to theft.

My creative juices were severely damaged by that. I wrote the strongest Hold'em poker program and never released it.


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Re: Clean Flix [Re: Swami]
    #4271471 - 06/08/05 01:35 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

This is inevitable with the current and future technologies. The media industries will have to change in order to survive. Being paid for work is all well and good...doing work that pays forever after doing it only once is becoming a pipe dream. Supporting innovative software with support and services is the emerging model. Check out IBM as it currently operates. They have 4 nobel prizes and they make money hand over fist supporting free software as a big part of their services. Apple is taking a similar tack by exploiting FreeBSD for OSX. While they take much from the free project they also give back. This creates good will in the tech community and advances their cause in a more friendly manner as compared to companies like Adobe and Microsoft.


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