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ego-loss conditions ?
#4258962 - 06/05/05 07:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm planning on tripping in a couple of months, but I have some questions: I'd like the trip to be very calm, peaceful and soothing. (possibly with loss of ego )
Now, usually, I use the first half of the movie Baraka to obtain Ego-loss; but I really hate that the second part of the movie is such a downer... (thunder-sad music-... )
So here's my question: What's the most suitable music and setting to have a very peaceful, dreamy trip? (and please, use names and titles of music )
I was thinking something along the line of buddhist chanting or flute-bells or something.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4258980 - 06/05/05 07:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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different types of music suit different people. i've had very peaceful trips listening to melodic death metal, but many people wouldn't like that. just listen to whatever you like listening to.
as for setting; outdoors is always great as long as the weather is good and you can find a quiet place. otherwise, somewhere familiar with a bed or lots of cushions to lie down on.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: alsey]
#4259098 - 06/05/05 08:12 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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alsey said: different types of music suit different people. i've had very peaceful trips listening to melodic death metal, but many people wouldn't like that. just listen to whatever you like listening to.
as for setting; outdoors is always great as long as the weather is good and you can find a quiet place. otherwise, somewhere familiar with a bed or lots of cushions to lie down on.
I was thinking of the beach; but I need some music too (there's a road nearby the beach... )
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Edited by boeha (06/05/05 08:12 AM)
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4259157 - 06/05/05 08:33 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Outside in nature while listening to The Moody Blues...either the album Days of Future Passed, or In Search of the Lost Chord. You will not be disappointed.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4259297 - 06/05/05 09:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey... once, I had Buddhist chants and bells playing... they were beautiful and soothing, as I let go of my body... but soon I realised this was because they were guiding me toward my death... I was dying, and i couldn't stop it... whatever the music, whatever the place, if it's gonna happen, it's gonna happen. What music moves you, what reveals the essential quality of the universe to YOU... that's what I'd choose, and be prepared if you're planning to go deep. Play whatever music makes you feel that life is wonderful...
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Micromegas]
#4259416 - 06/05/05 10:15 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only go for the chanting if you are looking to really trip out.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: mecreateme]
#4259692 - 06/05/05 11:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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"Ego-loss, could be when you have no Ego, but the One you are!" -Unknown :P
chanting.. yeah, go foreign language.. listen to music, not words? 
(words in a language you do not know, are plain music still?)

I "prefer" Spanish music at 'rest', not so though provoking, but just a soothing.. :P
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Gomp]
#4261626 - 06/05/05 09:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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personally pink floyd has taken me places like none other. digeredoo music, buddhist chanting, its hard to say really. certain people feel diffrently about certain songs.some songs that seem to blow me away are usually songs ive never heard before. shit boggles my mind
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Damn]
#4262670 - 06/06/05 05:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Yeah, but in one of Timothy Leary's works there is a suggestion that music with some basic instruments (flutes-bells-drums ... ) can induce ego-death without fear.
I find Pink Floyd to be a little dramatic though...
I think I'll just try and find some meditation music, that usually lets me focus on controlling my breath. (for me: the key to ego-loss)
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4262688 - 06/06/05 05:57 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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easiest way to achieve ego loss IMO: big dose, darkness, silence.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: alsey]
#4262698 - 06/06/05 06:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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alsey said: easiest way to achieve ego loss IMO: big dose, darkness, silence.
Well; silence here is nowhere to be found! Cars, airplanes, people ... (even at night)
Horrible for tripping, that's why I always need nice music. I can't even find a nice place in nature, anywhere... Even if there is a park, there usually are roads through it, so cars can disturb the natural peace.
This society is such a bliss...
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4262713 - 06/06/05 06:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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as someone who knows this paradigm well. may i suggest dosage in excess of one ounce dried. powdered and consumed quickly.
also, i think having a very good view of your surrounding helps. if you can see for miles and see whole landscapes, it is easier for your mind to see the "big picture" and lose yourself in it.
personally ive SEEN myself in it, and that self broke apart into a spiralling stretched mess of balanced fractal flesh. eye teeth gras and the hills, wearing sneakers, trees stained blue with the sky filled with floating islands of turf, bound n a mesh of dodecahedral verticied hairy human arms.
basically what im saying, is there is a threshold to cross. and its intense. if youre actually looking for it, dosage will help 20 grams would be a good start. its enough and not too much to eat.
im sorry. i think it's funny. its easy to get there really. but its scary. the ride up is scary. the duration is nothing shy of twited terror. and upon re-entry you spend weeks trying to make sence of the world you've lived in all this time. you might get stuck in the undeniable truth that it's all a big illusion. the razor sharp slice of realization severing all your miconceptions in a hot white rush of cold purity. and it surprising. because the ailean aspect you expect is no more present than normality. evrything is familliar. like (as they say) the back of your hand. looking at a house you see it and behind it and in it similtaneously. the house exists in your mind. and vice-versa. your mind is your power, your power your mind. you have dominion over this terrifying dream. and when you wake you find yourself shining like a golden sun upon a great sea of chaos. sprawling and naked, screaming for something to touch you something to fill you. omething to put you back together. babies feel this way at birth. they don't know air yet.
and from birth onward you depend on the thing you take for granted, to give you focus, point of reference, phsical boundries, nourishment, love.
it is love that will bring you back
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Mitchnast]
#4262723 - 06/06/05 06:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Mitchnast said: as someone who knows this paradigm well. may i suggest dosage in excess of one ounce dried. powdered and consumed quickly.
also, i think having a very good view of your surrounding helps. if you can see for miles and see whole landscapes, it is easier for your mind to see the "big picture" and lose yourself in it.
personally ive SEEN myself in it, and that self broke apart into a spiralling stretched mess of balanced fractal flesh. eye teeth gras and the hills, wearing sneakers, trees stained blue with the sky filled with floating islands of turf, bound n a mesh of dodecahedral verticied hairy human arms.
basically what im saying, is there is a threshold to cross. and its intense. if youre actually looking for it, dosage will help 20 grams would be a good start. its enough and not too much to eat.
im sorry. i think it's funny. its easy to get there really. but its scary. the ride up is scary. the duration is nothing shy of twited terror. and upon re-entry you spend weeks trying to make sence of the world you've lived in all this time. you might get stuck in the undeniable truth that it's all a big illusion. the razor sharp slice of realization severing all your miconceptions in a hot white rush of cold purity. and it surprising. because the ailean aspect you expect is no more present than normality. evrything is familliar. like (as they say) the back of your hand. looking at a house you see it and behind it and in it similtaneously. the house exists in your mind. and vice-versa. your mind is your power, your power your mind. you have dominion over this terrifying dream. and when you wake you find yourself shining like a golden sun upon a great sea of chaos. sprawling and naked, screaming for something to touch you something to fill you. omething to put you back together. babies feel this way at birth. they don't know air yet.
and from birth onward you depend on the thing you take for granted, to give you focus, point of reference, phsical boundries, nourishment, love.
it is love that will bring you back
Do you think a previous bad trip could stand ego-loss in the way?
['m pretty sure it won't; it was a very bad trip; but I understand now that my set and setting was all wrong. I was losing myself; but my ego was somehow fighting evil thoughts-> bad move right?  So if I'm truly happy now (which I am) and choose another setting, I should be allright, no? ]
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4262815 - 06/06/05 08:21 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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you want help with the evil eh? well, evil is subjective, if you follow. the nature of evil is threat, not to our life, but to ourselves. theres the crux. we don't ee ourselves as our life. we are all about point of view, hence ego. evil therefore is a conflict with the ego. the idea of ultimate evil, the corruption of soul spirit, etc. to actually change the nature of man, the devil.
when your ego is being lost, youre going to experience what spiritualists would describe as visions of the demonic.
patterns flood with meaning. and that meaning seeks to give you knowlage of your own finality. you feel it as evil. BUT WHO IS TO SAY?
if you were god, as in if evryone i god, split apart by the nature of ego, to define himself, to nourish and fulfll himself with order and reason, to forget infinity in a dream of finate expectations. wouldn't it stand to reason that the very part of gods will that seeks truth of self is the devil. the nature that cares not for the individual of the divided masses, for he is in and of evry one of them as god is. well, the devil would think he is doing the right thing to wake the dreamer and bring the world together into perfect beauty within himself. but then, what could be more hellish? sprawling formess timeless chaos.
from a non religous standpoint, THIS was my learning from ego-loss. i was IN that sea of chaos, i crawled from the devils lake and struck up a truce. it did not cost me my soul or semblance therof, i merely took upon myself to know and to exist in spite. and i live my life now, seeing evry inch as one. i have love of the world i suppose love is gods gift to us, and wisdom is the devils magic. theres balance. sometimes you have to rock the scales a bit to see that. they say rock is the devils music 
i will tell you what the devil told me.
if you fall asleep here you will wake up here. that is a promise. you should think freely, you can have whatever you want, evrything is yours anyway, but thats how it is. no, it won't make you happy. but thats the way you are. drink from the cup if you thurst in this place, it will not become empty and you will always thurst. until you forget what it is. and you are home again. it is a name, that name is always said, and is never questioned.
anyway. the idea is that the idea of ego-loss is a baptism of flame. good luck. i cant just tell you evrything, it wont make sense. like lord of the flies, are we really here to dicuss the existance of monsters? you cant have intence emotional breakthrough withought the most primal and basic emotion being hit the hardest. fear. the specific fear that makes you fear to indulge, to delve deep, to go into the dark. the fear of seeing that you are somehow other than you beleive.
heh well, how about this when youre tripping listen to 'terrapin station" by the grateful dead.
let my inspiration flow in token rhyme suggesting rhythm that will not forsake me untill my tale is told and done. while the fire light aglow strange shadows in the flames will grow. till things we've never seen, seem familliar. shadows of the sailor forming, wind both foul and fair all swarm down in carlilse he loved a lady, many years ago. here beside him stands a man, a soldier, from the looks of him came through many fights, but lost at love. while the story teller speaks, a door within the fire creeps suddenly flies open, and a girl is standing there. eyes alight with glowing hair all that fancy paints a s fair she takes her fan and throws it, in the lions den which of you? to gain me, tell, would risk uncertain pains of hell? i will not forgive you if you will not take the chance. the sailor gave at least a try, the soldier, being much too wise strategy was his stregnth, and not disaster. sailor comming out again, the lady fairly lept at him thats how it stands today, you decide if he was wise the storyteller makes no choice, soon you will not hear hi voice his job is to shed light not to master.
since the end is never told we pay the teller often gold in hopes he will ome back when he can not be bought or sold.
Inspiration, burn me brightly. shine the song with sence and color, hold away dipair. more than this i will not ask faced with mysteries dark and vast statements just seem vain at last. some rise, some fall, some climb to get to terrapin
counting stars by candlelight. all are dim but one is bright. the spiral light of venus, rising first and hining best from the northwest corner of a brand new crecent moon crickets and cicadas sing a rare and different tune tarrapin station in the shadow of the moon terrapin station and i know we'll be there soon terrapin, i cant figure out terrapin, if its the end or beggining terrapin but the trains put its break on terrapin and the whistle is screaming tarrapin
while you were gone. these faces filled with darkness the obvious was hidden with nothing to beleive in the compass always points to terrapin sullen winds of fortune beat like rain youre back in terrapin for good or ill again
for good OR ill again.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Mitchnast]
#4263046 - 06/06/05 10:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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20 grams is a little much. I have obtained the state of ego loss on much less. I don't think this guy wants to go all the way. Mitchnast is describing ego death, to me. Ego loss is much easier to reach and not as earth shattering. And if you have someone who is sober with you, do not eat too many mushrooms. Your friend would definitely become very frightened if you were to eat 20 grams, combine with that your not very experienced and all hell could break loose. Be careful, I suggest a lower dose, especially if you just want to chill out in nature. Just remember you will have to bring whatever you want to with you, and don't forget to just experience when in it, even if it seems to not agree with you.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: mecreateme]
#4267615 - 06/07/05 12:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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an ounce dried? the rest of your posts are very meaningful and wise, but that suggestion is absurd IMO.
the only thing an eating an ounce dried will get you closer to is ACTUAL death.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: kake]
#4267686 - 06/07/05 12:26 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Huh? I would never advise and ounce dried.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: kake]
#4267834 - 06/07/05 01:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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sorry mecreateme, I meant to reply to Mitchnast.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4268551 - 06/07/05 03:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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may i suggest dosage in excess of one ounce dried.
No. You may absolutely NOT suggest he should take 150-300mg of Psilocybin.
With that out of the way  Egoloss is a stage of Ego Death and Ego Death is the most brutal, violent, shocking thing you'll likely ever face.
It is also one of the most profound spiritual, cleansing experiences that can be had if one surrenders fully to it. If you resist it it can fuck you up like a war vet, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, the whole package.
If you want a peaceful experience I must go with Stanislav Grof, LSD Therapist, and insist that you do not take more than 100mcg LSD (one good blotter), 20mg of psilocybin (one-eighth of average Cubies or a maximum of 1.5gr really strong ones) or 300mg of Mescaline (generally one capsule)
At or above this level you can expect to be visited by Ego Death phenomena, which usually show up at 1/4 oz of cubies (or 200+mcg LSD) if you fully let go.
Alexander Shulgin does not go there. Why should you?
If you have average-strength Cubies then don't dose over 1/8 oz dried and even then there are no guarantees. There is no safety in numbers, when your time has come it WILL come and you'd better surrender yourself to whatever comes.
For a dreamy trip, get an opium-den like thing going in your bedroom: one candle for a bare minimum of indirect light, incense in the air, lying in your bed or sitting up with a ton of pillows and a maximum of 1/16 oz of good quality dried cubies. Music should be very, very soft (your ears will go towards hearing it so make it subliminal) and I particularly recommend African Kora-music, slow classical Indian music or Japanese Zen music of one beat-per-minute 
Preferably no music with texts you can understand or contemporary stuff.
If the trip goes deep: GO DEEP. Fighting it fucks the trip up and worse yet it can fuck YOU up.
If you want a peaceful trip then under no circumstance take one ounce dried. On second thought don't take that much EVER. Most people lose most of their memory of the experience if the dose goes over 7 grams anyway.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Asante]
#4268816 - 06/07/05 04:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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may i suggest dosage in excess of one ounce dried.
No. You may absolutely NOT suggest he should take 150-300mg of Psilocybin.
With that out of the way  Egoloss is a stage of Ego Death and Ego Death is the most brutal, violent, shocking thing you'll likely ever face.
It is also one of the most profound spiritual, cleansing experiences that can be had if one surrenders fully to it. If you resist it it can fuck you up like a war vet, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, the whole package.
If you want a peaceful experience I must go with Stanislav Grof, LSD Therapist, and insist that you do not take more than 100mcg LSD (one good blotter), 20mg of psilocybin (one-eighth of average Cubies or a maximum of 1.5gr really strong ones) or 300mg of Mescaline (generally one capsule)
At or above this level you can expect to be visited by Ego Death phenomena, which usually show up at 1/4 oz of cubies (or 200+mcg LSD) if you fully let go.
Alexander Shulgin does not go there. Why should you?
If you have average-strength Cubies then don't dose over 1/8 oz dried and even then there are no guarantees. There is no safety in numbers, when your time has come it WILL come and you'd better surrender yourself to whatever comes.
For a dreamy trip, get an opium-den like thing going in your bedroom: one candle for a bare minimum of indirect light, incense in the air, lying in your bed or sitting up with a ton of pillows and a maximum of 1/16 oz of good quality dried cubies. Music should be very, very soft (your ears will go towards hearing it so make it subliminal) and I particularly recommend African Kora-music, slow classical Indian music or Japanese Zen music of one beat-per-minute 
Preferably no music with texts you can understand or contemporary stuff.
If the trip goes deep: GO DEEP. Fighting it fucks the trip up and worse yet it can fuck YOU up.
If you want a peaceful trip then under no circumstance take one ounce dried. On second thought don't take that much EVER. Most people lose most of their memory of the experience if the dose goes over 7 grams anyway.
once I took 3 hits of strong acid and fought the trip; learned my lesson completely. The effects even lingered on after the experience, but I found out the more I think positive, the less I'm worried about badtrips or mental damage.
But thanks a bunch for the music suggestion; I'll check it out, and if it's good, I'll buy some new cd's ...
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4268886 - 06/07/05 05:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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once I took 3 hits of strong acid and fought the trip; learned my lesson completely. The effects even lingered on after the experience
Wow thats quite some resistance if you even took detrimental effects with you!
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I found out the more I think positive, the less I'm worried about badtrips or mental damage.
Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.
I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Asante]
#4268949 - 06/07/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Wiccan_Seeker said: Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.
I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.
Hmm; I'm not saying I'll never have another bad trip (don't even call it that), but the positive thinking is more soothing in life: I could go over and over the bad experiences, but I soon realized that that really wasn't helping me that much.
I gambled with my mind, and lost bigtime once... That's all there is to it for me at least.
I take the bad with the good; but I've learned from the bad. I don't think that's such a bad attitude now, isn't it ? Set and setting, sometimes we learn it the hard way.
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4268960 - 06/07/05 05:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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Hey don't take it the wrong way. I use strong words but mean well
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4283048 - 06/11/05 10:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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any infected mushroom songs..... i find are good to take u out of the world and into space... just the diffrent sounds and noise's
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Asante]
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once I took 3 hits of strong acid and fought the trip; learned my lesson completely. The effects even lingered on after the experience
Wow thats quite some resistance if you even took detrimental effects with you!
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I found out the more I think positive, the less I'm worried about badtrips or mental damage.
Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.
I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.
yer i found after my bad acid trip... wtich was 8 months ago now.. i still ahvent fully come out of it...
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Penguarky Tunguin
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
#4286370 - 06/12/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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I've found that really soothing ambient music works. Try Ishq, his album is called Orchid. That should work wonders. 
Also, depending on my mood. The psychedelic spacerock band Ozric Tentacles can take me to places I never knew existed. Same with Shpongle, only their first album though, their other ones are more "worldly" and make me want to get up and start dancing. Which you probably don't want for ego loss.
Also, 10 grams dried is way too much. Two weeks ago I experienced complete ego death and it was on 2 grams of aborts. So its all on the potancy of the shrooms I'd say. But you're going to take whatever you want anyway so.... 
I also think that the beginning of an ego death trip is when you get severely umcomfortable. Can't get comfortable, its too hot or cold, sick to the stomach.
Here's what The Psychedelic Experience by Tim Leary says:
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"If the person fails to recognize and accept the onset of ego loss, he may complain of strange bodily symptoms. This shows that he has not reached a liberated state. Here is a list of commonly reported bodily symptoms.
1. Bodily pressure, which the Tibetans call earth-sinking-into-water
2. Clammy coldness, followed by feverish heat, which the Tibetans call water-sinking-into-fire
3. Body disintegrating or blown to atoms, called fire-sinking-into-air
4. Pressure on head and ears, which Americans call rocket-launching-into-space
5. Tingling in extremities
6. Feelings of body melting or flowing as if wax;
7. Nausea;
8. Trembling or shaking, beginning in pelvic regions and spreading up torso.
These physical reactions should be recognized as signs heralding transcendence. Avoid treating them as symptoms of illness, accept them, merge with them, enjoy them.
Mild nausea occurs often with the ingestion of morning-glory seeds or peyote, rarely with mescaline and infrequently with LSD or psilocybin. If the subject experiences stomach messages, they should be hailed as a sign that consciousness is moving around in the body. The symptoms are mental; the mind controls the sensation, and the subject should merge with the sensation, experience it fully, enjoy it and, having enjoyed it, let consciousness flow on to the next phase. It is usually more natural to let consciousness stay in the body - the subject's attention can move from the stomach and concentrate on breathing, heart beat. If this does not free him from nausea, the guide should move the consciousness to external events - music, walking in the garden, etc.
Hope that helps.
McKennaDMT
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Starchild
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When people talk about Ego-Death, they always say you have to surrender yourself to it, or something simiilar. Let yourself go. I've read this many times. Only problem is, it's not very helpful. What's involved in surrendering to Ego-Death? How do you know you're experiencing ego-death if you've never had it before? How can you prepare for it? These are the questions that need to be answered....
-------------------- Be the change that you want to see in the world. Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live forever. -Mahatma Gandhi
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Asante
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Starchild]
#4290213 - 06/13/05 04:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago) |
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How do you know you're experiencing ego-death if you've never had it before?
Easy. You compeltely and totally are convinced that you are dying right there on that very spot and you're supposed to lie down and let death take hold of you. After the fact, if you remain in this world, you know it was your ego that died. Hence: Ego Death.
A bit broader: You'll get a profound feeling that you either go completely insane, that you'll lose all control, will die or be erased on every possible level and it is very convincing that this is happening on the reality level. It will be a strictly personal Hell because, after all, it's your ego that is dying.
By being forced to confront its worst fears in acute drama of full-intensity suffering your Ego will discover most of it consists of "resistance against the nature of this" and will lose structural integrity and collapse like a microsoft program on startup. This crash is "Ego Death" and if you are lucky you will emerge with either a servicepack to patch things or actual improvement in the structure of your Ego.
Many Shroomerites talk of Ego Death in a way I once heard someone exclaim during a ritual: "Eek! I'm having an out of body experience now and I gotta drive home in an hour" 
straight towards the ground zero of your worst fears.
True Ego Death is a process of at least twenty excruciating Bad Trips that get increasingly worse and all are resolved by total surrender to everything that happens: Lying yourself down and let your worst fears come true.
Most people who start the process of Ego Death do so by at least having one high dose trip (such as 1/8 oz) that goes sour, this being the "turning point" beyond which most Trips will get increasingly Bad until finally you get the message that there is nothing to fear but fear itself and from that dramatic moment of FULL EGODEATH onwards you will almost be beyond conflict and almost every trip will be an epic adventure of mysticism and miracles unfolding.
When Bad Trips start to revolve around Death and (Re)Birth, when you start seeking babies and corpses and impossibly early memories flash before your eyes, you are moving towards the Ego Death process which according to Stanislav Grof will tend to take a few dozen sessions.
Because Ego Death revolves around your worst fears it is nowhere near easy for anyone, that would be Ego Dissolution which in its own right can be pretty upsetting.
There is one rule of thumb with tripping: If it comes from within and isnt associated with directed physical activity you must ALWAYS let it happen. True insanity will not be stopped by resistance, only be aggrevated by it to a great extent. Just Let Go.
Perhaps its a bit clearer now why I direly emphasize low doses, taking responsibility and self-education about Psychedelics: You might be thinking you're partying with pull-string fireworks but in reality you're kicking against the detonator of the hydrogen bomb of Ego Death whenever you trip, and most people absolutely do not want to take the tremendous effort to go through the Ego Death pocess, even though the rewards can be beyond belief and comprehension if you make it to the Other Side. Its the mechanism of hard trip-great peak but then to the maximum degree.
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