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InvisibleAsante
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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
    #4268886 - 06/07/05 05:20 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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once I took 3 hits of strong acid and fought the trip; learned my lesson completely.
The effects even lingered on after the experience




Wow thats quite some resistance if you even took detrimental effects with you!

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I found out the more I think positive, the less I'm worried about badtrips or mental damage.




Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.

I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  :eek:
And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Asante]
    #4268949 - 06/07/05 05:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.

I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  :eek:
And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.




Hmm; I'm not saying I'll never have another bad trip (don't even call it that), but the positive thinking is more soothing in life:
I could go over and over the bad experiences, but I soon realized that that really wasn't helping me that much.

I gambled with my mind, and lost bigtime once... That's all there is to it for me at least.

I take the bad with the good; but I've learned from the bad. I don't think that's such a bad attitude now, isn't it ?
Set and setting, sometimes we learn it the hard way. :smile:


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
    #4268960 - 06/07/05 05:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey don't take it the wrong way. I use strong words but mean well  :heart:


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
    #4283048 - 06/11/05 10:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

any infected mushroom songs..... i find are good to take u out of the world and into space... just the diffrent sounds and noise's

enjoy


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Asante]
    #4283093 - 06/11/05 10:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Wiccan_Seeker said:
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once I took 3 hits of strong acid and fought the trip; learned my lesson completely.
The effects even lingered on after the experience




Wow thats quite some resistance if you even took detrimental effects with you!

Quote:

I found out the more I think positive, the less I'm worried about badtrips or mental damage.




Esteemed sir, may I direct your attention towards the fact that bad/difficult trips are a normal and healthy part of a tripper's development and absolutely will happen regardless of positive thinking? You seem to fight the idea of ever getting a bad trip again. Nontheless if you keep on tripping you will get em again. and again. The only way out lies in total acceptance, and the path to Heaven goes straight through Hell.

I am going to get mauled beyond belief by a future trip, and then it'll set me on fire and puts it out with pepperspray  :eek:
And I am OK with that. I am willing to suffer great agony (and you know what great agony is, after those blotters!) for my psychedelic growth. The hellishness will fade and the benefits will remain. I believe that's the attitude required of a diehard tripper.




yer i found after my bad acid trip... wtich was 8 months ago now.. i still ahvent fully come out of it...


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: boeha]
    #4286370 - 06/12/05 10:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I've found that really soothing ambient music works.  Try Ishq, his album is called Orchid.  That should work wonders.  :smile:

Also, depending on my mood.  The psychedelic spacerock band Ozric Tentacles can take me to places I never knew existed.  Same with Shpongle, only their first album though, their other ones are more "worldly" and make me want to get up and start dancing.  Which you probably don't want for ego loss.

Also, 10 grams dried is way too much.  Two weeks ago I experienced complete ego death and it was on 2 grams of aborts.  So its all on the potancy of the shrooms I'd say.  But you're going to take whatever you want anyway so....  :smile:

I also think that the beginning of an ego death trip is when you get severely umcomfortable.  Can't get comfortable, its too hot or cold, sick to the stomach. 

Here's what The Psychedelic Experience by Tim Leary says:

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"If the person fails to recognize and accept the onset of ego loss, he may complain of strange bodily symptoms.  This shows that he has not reached a liberated state.  Here is a list of commonly reported bodily symptoms.

1.  Bodily pressure, which the Tibetans call earth-sinking-into-water

2.  Clammy coldness, followed by feverish heat, which the Tibetans call water-sinking-into-fire

3.  Body disintegrating or blown to atoms, called fire-sinking-into-air

4.  Pressure on head and ears, which Americans call rocket-launching-into-space

5.  Tingling in extremities

6.  Feelings of body melting or flowing as if wax;

7.  Nausea;

8.  Trembling or shaking, beginning in pelvic regions and spreading up torso.

These physical reactions should be recognized as signs heralding transcendence. Avoid treating them as symptoms of illness, accept them, merge with them, enjoy them.

Mild nausea occurs often with the ingestion of morning-glory seeds or peyote, rarely with mescaline and infrequently with LSD or psilocybin. If the subject experiences stomach messages, they should be hailed as a sign that consciousness is moving around in the body. The symptoms are mental; the mind controls the sensation, and the subject should merge with the sensation, experience it fully, enjoy it and, having enjoyed it, let consciousness flow on to the next phase. It is usually more natural to let consciousness stay in the body - the subject's attention can move from the stomach and concentrate on breathing, heart beat. If this does not free him from nausea, the guide should move the consciousness to external events - music, walking in the garden, etc.





Hope that helps.


McKennaDMT


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Penguarky Tunguin]
    #4287632 - 06/12/05 04:18 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

When people talk about Ego-Death, they always say you have to surrender yourself to it, or something simiilar. Let yourself go. I've read this many times. Only problem is, it's not very helpful. What's involved in surrendering to Ego-Death? How do you know you're experiencing ego-death if you've never had it before? How can you prepare for it? These are the questions that need to be answered....


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Re: ego-loss conditions ? [Re: Starchild]
    #4290213 - 06/13/05 04:43 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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How do you know you're experiencing ego-death if you've never had it before?




Easy. You compeltely and totally are convinced that you are dying right there on that very spot and you're supposed to lie down and let death take hold of you. After the fact, if you remain in this world, you know it was your ego that died. Hence: Ego Death.

A bit broader: You'll get a profound feeling that you either go completely insane, that you'll lose all control, will die or be erased on every possible level and it is very convincing that this is happening on the reality level. It will be a strictly personal Hell because, after all, it's your ego that is dying.

By being forced to confront its worst fears in acute drama of full-intensity suffering your Ego will discover most of it consists of "resistance against the nature of this" and will lose structural integrity and collapse like a microsoft program on startup.
This crash is "Ego Death" and if you are lucky you will emerge with either a servicepack to patch things or actual improvement in the structure of your Ego.

Many Shroomerites talk of Ego Death in a way I once heard someone exclaim during a ritual:
"Eek! I'm having an out of body experience now and I gotta drive home in an hour"  :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

straight towards the ground zero of your worst fears.

True Ego Death is a process of at least twenty excruciating Bad Trips that get increasingly worse and all are resolved by total surrender to everything that happens: Lying yourself down and let your worst fears come true.

Most people who start the process of Ego Death do so by at least having one high dose trip (such as 1/8 oz) that goes sour, this being the "turning point" beyond which most Trips will get increasingly Bad until finally you get the message that there is nothing to fear but fear itself and from that dramatic moment of FULL EGODEATH onwards you will almost be beyond conflict and almost every trip will be an epic adventure of mysticism and miracles unfolding.

When Bad Trips start to revolve around Death and (Re)Birth, when you start seeking babies and corpses and impossibly early memories flash before your eyes, you are moving towards the Ego Death process which according to Stanislav Grof will tend to take a few dozen sessions.

Because Ego Death revolves around your worst fears it is nowhere near easy for anyone, that would be Ego Dissolution which in its own right can be pretty upsetting.

There is one rule of thumb with tripping: If it comes from within and isnt associated with directed physical activity you must ALWAYS let it happen. True insanity will not be stopped by resistance, only be aggrevated by it to a great extent.
Just Let Go.


Perhaps its a bit clearer now why I direly emphasize low doses, taking responsibility and self-education about Psychedelics: You might be thinking you're partying with pull-string fireworks but in reality you're kicking against the detonator of the hydrogen bomb of Ego Death whenever you trip, and most people absolutely do not want to take the tremendous effort to go through the Ego Death pocess, even though the rewards can be beyond belief and comprehension if you make it to the Other Side. Its the mechanism of hard trip-great peak but then to the maximum degree.


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