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Offlinecrunchytoast
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what's wrong with pain?
    #4256017 - 06/04/05 03:24 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

please help me to understand.

if i stick my hand in a fire there's two options i can think of:
1) take my hand out of the fire
2) bring out my inner fakir whereby my flesh burns away but i withstand/don't feel the pain

is the problem the pain or the source of the pain?


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4256097 - 06/04/05 03:46 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I too can think of only two.

1)Take your hand out of the fire.
2)Leave it in the fire, it burns, it hurts.

The problem is actually trying to circumvent pain in the first place.. Just don't put your hand in a damn fire. tsk!


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Hambo]
    #4256100 - 06/04/05 03:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Ohhh now I see.

I accidentally stumbled in here thinking it was the pub.
Please excuse me.

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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4256316 - 06/04/05 05:00 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
please help me to understand.

if i stick my hand in a fire there's two options i can think of:
1) take my hand out of the fire
2) bring out my inner fakir whereby my flesh burns away but i withstand/don't feel the pain

is the problem the pain or the source of the pain?




Umm, the problem with pain is that it hurts, and those who don't like when something hurts they try to make it stop

the problem is in that which you consider to be the problem yourself. If to you the problem is pain, then it is pain, and if to you the problem is the source, then it is the source that is problematic


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4256584 - 06/04/05 06:33 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yep, back to trying to define reality.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4256863 - 06/04/05 08:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

3. Baste your hand in hickory-flavored BBQ sauce.  :thumbup:


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: BleaK]
    #4256879 - 06/04/05 08:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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BleaK said:
yep, back to trying to define reality.




screw reality, if it hurts, move your hand or take a pain killer


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4256895 - 06/04/05 08:22 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Pain is a signal... period..


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4257109 - 06/04/05 09:12 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Pain is just a process that natural selection created to help ensure our survival. There's nothing "wrong" with it, and I'd say it's quite essential to our survival.

If you put your hand in the fire and didn't feel pain, why bother taking it out? There's nothing wrong with either pain or the source of pain, pain is just there to help you avoid the source of pain which would be damaging to your cells.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4257308 - 06/04/05 10:26 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

What's wrong with pain? It hurts.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4257578 - 06/04/05 11:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

But some people like that. For them, there's nothing wrong with pain.

So, is there something wrong with them?


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Diploid]
    #4257607 - 06/04/05 11:59 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Pain sucks. It may be a necessary sensation to our survival like hunger or vomiting, but they suck too. I say that discomfort, in general, just sucks ass. I avoid all of these sensations because there IS something wrong with them....they are telling me to avoid disconfort...if I experience it then I am not heeding their warning.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Huehuecoyotl]
    #4257634 - 06/05/05 12:07 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I avoid all of these sensations

Yeah, preaching to the choir here, I'm a wimp when it comes to pain, but...

because there IS something wrong with them....they are telling me to avoid disconfort...if I experience it then I am not heeding their warning.

Some kinky people get off on pain and discomfort, so I'm not sure it can be universally called 'wrong' in that context.

For examples, the pain of a nipple piercing is anticipated happily by some. Others like rough titty-twisting during sex. Is there something wrong with them or do they just play on the other end of the field than most of us?


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
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4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Diploid]
    #4258046 - 06/05/05 01:48 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

folks bring up good points about pain: the meaning is something you give it. but i understand most of us would still take the hand out of the fire.

take the hand out of the fire.

why is it different with emotional pain?



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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Diploid]
    #4258916 - 06/05/05 09:11 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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Diploid said:
But some people like that. For them, there's nothing wrong with pain.

So, is there something wrong with them?




well when someone likes pain and wants it, he is obviously a machine in mailfunction because pain is designed to move you away from threat, and it fails to do so.

But that doesn't mean he SHOULD listen to pain. He has a right to suffer or even die if it pleases him.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4258999 - 06/05/05 09:42 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

why is it different with emotional pain?

Emotional pain is different only in that it is more complicated and so the cause of the pain isn't always as clear as a hand in a fire.

Many battered women stay in abusive relationships despite the pain. They're so conditioned that they blame themselves rather than see clearly that the source of the pain is their partner.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4259013 - 06/05/05 09:46 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

well when someone likes pain and wants it, he is obviously a machine in mailfunction

I wouldn't call it a malfunction; I'd call it a different threshold for experiencing life than most.

We all seek out pain of sorts, it's just the intensity that varies. When we watch a scary movie or ride a roller coaster or bungee-jump, we're scared just enough to call it thrill rather than pain.


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1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you.
2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child.
3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.

4) We need a smaller, less-intrusive government.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Diploid]
    #4259339 - 06/05/05 11:52 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

from a philosophical point of view yes, but from bilogical point of view it is a simple mailfunction of an organism.
For example if a bunny is bitten by a wold, it will run away becuase of pain, but if it does not run away because it like pain then it is killed. The system that is supose to make it run failed.


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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: crunchytoast]
    #4259364 - 06/05/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

crunchytoast said:
please help me to understand.

if i stick my hand in a fire there's two options i can think of:
1) take my hand out of the fire
2) bring out my inner fakir whereby my flesh burns away but i withstand/don't feel the pain

is the problem the pain or the source of the pain?




Do you want to have your hand with or with out flesh, its will.. pain got nothing do f\do with it, it is a signal, whereby you get warned, say if someone else put a fire where you had your hands...

if pain hurts, one apply habits, learned from when young as they were passed on. if pain is good, one apply habits, as a hook hanger?

if pain is pain.. its just pain, a signal to warn you, not good nor bad, in the weary essenes of it.. You be the judge.. :P

"Nothing is wrong with pain, unless thought so!"
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Re: what's wrong with pain? [Re: Diploid]
    #4260745 - 06/05/05 07:40 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Diploid said:
Some kinky people get off on pain and discomfort, so I'm not sure it can be universally called 'wrong' in that context.





its not just the sex freaks who love pain, any good athlete bathes in pain and learns to enjoy it.


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