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Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question
    #4255700 - 06/04/05 01:49 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, I have some grass seed casings going that were put to fruiting conditions 15 days ago. I did a 1 month cold shock in the fridge before fruiting. The problem is that the summer entered really heavy in Spain and can?t get the air temp. in the chamber to be less than 28?C. I?ve read that it?s better if held at a constant 22-24?C. The casings look healthy but are overlaying. No sclerotia forming in the casing layer. The grass seed was inoc. with agar wedges from a multispore inoculated petri. Casing is 50/50 peat/verm+CaCO3, RH 95%, air pump 15min ON/15 min off-24 hours a day, 12 hours indirect sunlight and direct misting 2 a day or when necessary, which is also like fanning 2 extra times cause I open the chamber and get the casings out for the misting.
I tried the ice in bottles tek but don?t have the time to be changing bottles every 4 hours. Besides, I don?t get it down to the proper temps with this tek. No air conditiong available and no possibility to get one right now. No money, I?m poor and unemployed right now.
My question is: Should I put them back in the fridge till it gets cold again?
Any other suggestions are appreciated.

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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4258026 - 06/05/05 01:44 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Anybody?

If not, could someone send this thread to Advanced.

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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4258042 - 06/05/05 01:47 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Place your fruiting chamber in a big cooler/ice chest. Something that is insulated. Then surround with ice. It should last all day.. if not longer.

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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Quiescence]
    #4258057 - 06/05/05 01:50 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)



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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4258063 - 06/05/05 01:51 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

To be honest with ya. Strain A is a poor fruiter for casings, that's if it fruits at all. Strain A is more of an invitro fruiter. Nice sclerotia in invitro fruiting. Nice fruit and they can be very potent. I would recommend strain B for casings. Room temps for fruiting (70-76 degrees). And yes, this should be in advanced where someone else can give a different opinion.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4258466 - 06/05/05 03:30 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

I know that, but I?m trying to get a fruiting strain and a sclerotia producer strain, both of Mex A. I know it?s difficult, but all what I?m learning is the best reward to my efforts right now. Sooner or later I?m gonna get there, for sure. So, if it?s difficult to fruit mex A at the right conditions it will be even more difficult if conditions aren?t right. Do you think I can keep the casings healthy 3 months at 1-2?C in the fridge till the temps get down?


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4258528 - 06/05/05 03:54 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OK. I got ya. I'm used to the fahranheit scale. 82 degrees F is a bit much for that strain. I'd suggest transfering some of the mycelium to several agar plates first off. Just for back up. You might even be able to accomplish your goal that way. Then you could try to store the casing in the fridge. It might very well last a few months in the fridge. Keep it clean. I'd suggest making a filtered rubbermaid container for the casing for storage, with some type of moisture medium added. Maybe coat the top of the casing with a 1/2 inch of moist perlite or vermiculite. Man! You've got your hands full. But good luck! I'd love to see an update in a few months.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4258554 - 06/05/05 04:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hold your thoughts for a moment. I'm going to contact a couple guys that can give ya better advice on this problem. They should get back to ya soon.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4258571 - 06/05/05 04:09 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

OK, I?m gonna try that.

Thank you very much  :thumbup:


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4258588 - 06/05/05 04:14 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Hold your horses. I've pm'd 2 cats that know their shit about these weird strains. They should get back to this thread soon. Probably tommorrow morning. Check back in the morning to see if they have better advice. Hope I helped out.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4258691 - 06/05/05 05:04 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Yes, you did help a lot  :thumbup:

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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4263026 - 06/06/05 12:03 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

For those who care about this mexicans:
OK, finally I decided to put 1 casing in the freeze, 1 outside where temps get down to 23?C at night and 1 stays in the fruiting chamber.

Thanks again hotnutz for trying to help.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4264296 - 06/06/05 05:37 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Don't freeze it. Refrdgeration would be more surfice. Let me see if I can get Rodger to help ya. Ohmatic maybe? Someone! LOL. Workman! Kshhh! Calling all pros, calling all pros!


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4264382 - 06/06/05 06:04 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Regular room temps is fine for them...a cold shock should have sufficed. Some substrains, just wont pin. Happens alot with that species. It takes work to get them to fruit..


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4264436 - 06/06/05 06:21 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Many substrains won't fruit no matter what you do, as scatmanrav just noted. Try again with agar and isolate a few substrains. I've had the best luck with finding fruiting strains of mexicana by leaving in the petri dish for a month or two. Sclerotia will form in a petri dish within three weeks if you have a good producer. Within two to three weeks after that, fruits will form from the slerotia if it's a decent fruiting strain. At that time, transfer the best fruiting strain on agar over to rye grain or grass seed(I prefer rye berries to grass seed) to a tray and case. Cold shocking is not necessary with the mexicana species.
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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #4266298 - 06/07/05 02:12 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Wow!, I didn?t know mexicans fruit directly from the petri. Next time I?m gonna try that.

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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Semilanceata]
    #4269782 - 06/07/05 11:29 PM (11 years, 7 months ago)

Sure. That's one fine way to find a great fruiter for any strain, without having to go through the fruiting cycle annoyances on substrates. If the mycelium starts to fruit on agar, you've got yourself a fine fruiting sub-strain.


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Re: Mex A Pajaritos fruiting question [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4270554 - 06/08/05 04:07 AM (11 years, 7 months ago)

But, not every mushroom cultivated form fruitbodies on agar, right?


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