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OfflineOldWoodSpecter
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when is it going to end?
    #4248384 - 06/02/05 04:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Why does shroomery always come back to questions of god, soul etc.

every time it's the same arguments from both sides, and every time each side wants the other one to loosen up.

there will never be any progress in this, in either way.

By the time there are REAL scientific arguments, there will be no need for these discussions because things will be very clear

so all in all, there is no point in repeating the same old stories whenever someone gets pissed by watching something on TV

let's just drop it and discuss things where dicussion does not depend on scientific progress or lack of it.


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4248488 - 06/02/05 04:30 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

"Why does shroomery always come back to questions of god, soul etc."

It does?  I thought it always came back to why racketball is the most spiritual activity in the world.  :grin:


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4248518 - 06/02/05 04:38 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Everyone knows the most spiritual activity in the world is telekinetic fencing.

En guard!

And with the god/soul/etc, those are central issues to a lot of questions.


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: orechron]
    #4248542 - 06/02/05 04:45 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

yes they are central issues, but are going to have to stay unresolved for now, and besides we will all know/not-know when we die


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: LunarEclipse]
    #4248563 - 06/02/05 04:48 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

It does? I thought it always came back to why racketball is the most spiritual activity in the world.

Whatever one does well that requires discipline and study is the most spiritual activity in the world.

*Swami puts on court shoes.*


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4248568 - 06/02/05 04:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

We will all know/ not-know it right now. That's where covering all the options gets you. But seeing as we will no longer exist when we die, I don't think either of the options applies to nothingness.

I think everything is truely as uncertain as God and the soul. Personally I do believe both are pure bullshit, but this bullshit I perceive exists within my subjective reality. And how do we judge anything as absolute in a subjective reality?

Even uncertainty is an uncertainty in such a perception-based individual reality.

And the Shroomery keeps coming back to them because they're a good way to dodge scientific reasoning, as they will always be an uncertainty in this reality. Uncertainities in a subjective system are easier to argue than evidence and facts in a subjective system.


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4248635 - 06/02/05 05:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

When is it going to end?

When you let it end or by logging out of the shroomery.

The members here bring up the topics and reply to the topics. Start ones you feel worthy of discussion and don't reply to the ones you don't and voila, you have your utopic message board.  :cool:


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4248689 - 06/02/05 05:11 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

but why do other shroomers always have same discussions with same arguments and same unresolved outcomes?


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Ravus]
    #4248703 - 06/02/05 05:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Pretty good post. :thumbup: :mushroom2:


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Icelander]
    #4248724 - 06/02/05 05:19 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

""when is it going to end?""

You are the end, so whenever you like.. :wink:  (?)


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4248761 - 06/02/05 05:28 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

You mean like Hue and swami every time a noob posts on Castenada? :shrug:


I agree, the wars over does god/soul/ETs exists are tiresome and old and go no where.

It would be cool if we could all agree that they do or don't and then start to get somewhere new and interesting around here.

Maybe thats what all the dickering is for. Each side wants everyone to agree with theirs so we can balance out a foundation to build upon once and for all.

Will it ever happen? Is there another way? hmmmmmmmmm
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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4248855 - 06/02/05 05:43 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

each side should know by now that we are discussing the color of the floor in a room where light is turned off


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Gomp]
    #4248923 - 06/02/05 05:53 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Gomp said:
""when is it going to end?""

You are the end, so whenever you like.. :wink:  (?)




Sweet! :heart:


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #4248931 - 06/02/05 05:54 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe thats what all the dickering is for. Each side wants everyone to agree with theirs

There is opinion and there are facts. If one logically looks at the facts, then certain viewpoints are necessarily invalidated.

If the facts are too few to come to any conclusion; then coming to any sort of conclusion is most likely wrong.

I don't demand agreement. I demand cogency and consistency and SOME basis for a point of view, else there is no reason to hold such a view. Some would respond that the world is full of paradox; which is nonsense. The Universe does not run on vagaries nor shifting principles else it would come apart.

Most ALL of the arguments veer off when the "believer" starts making up new "rules" such as "Skeptics waves block telepathic waves..." when caught in a major contradiction. This sort of using untestable, baseless and imaginary "laws" to explain imaginary powers is the antithesis to philosophy.

There is NO COMMON GROUND; no bridge, no terra firma between rationality and irrationality; between clear concise thinking and logic and making stuff up on the spot to protect one's pet theory.


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: OldWoodSpecter]
    #4248954 - 06/02/05 05:58 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

god is gay


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Swami]
    #4248999 - 06/02/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Quote:

Most ALL of the arguments veer off when the "believer" starts making up new "rules" such as "Skeptics waves block telepathic waves..." when caught in a major contradiction. This sort of using untestable, baseless and imaginary "laws" to explain imaginary powers is the antithesis to philosophy.




Maybe your answer is in there wood.

It makes for entertainment better then television.


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Swami]
    #4249030 - 06/02/05 06:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

:thumbup:


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Re: when is it going to end? [Re: Icelander]
    #4272561 - 06/08/05 06:06 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

If questions are unanswered, they will appear again and again.

:grin:


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