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Invisibleyousuck
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~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~
    #4247431 - 06/02/05 11:51 AM (11 years, 6 months ago)

1. how long does it usually take for a quart jar of WBS to show signs of growth after a multispore innoc?

2. has anyone ever tried using corn or buckwheat as a spawn/substrate? how does it compare to WBS?

3. im trying to find a filter material that i can cut into discs for my jars. will felt work? does anyone have any easy to find reccommendations?

4. has it been confirmed that penningtons WBS is fungicide free?

5. does the dilluted coffee method work for WBS?

6. can anyone suggest any other additives i can put in my soak water when im hydrating my WBS? I am using WBS as a substrate for now, so an additive to increase potentcy or flush size would be helpful.

Any and all advice is much appreciated.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247462 - 06/02/05 12:02 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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I am using WBS as a substrate for now, so an additive to increase potentcy or flush size would be helpful.




poo :naughty:

your wbs brand ought to be fine, considering it's intended for birds to consume

drill a hole in the top of your jar and pull some polyfill through.

this will be more than adequate filtration for the gas exchange process.
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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247466 - 06/02/05 12:05 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

polyfill isnt an option, and neither is poo.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247486 - 06/02/05 12:13 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

uh polyfill is the easiest to find, and poo is the most nutritious subtrate there is....

if you still can't get either then go for tyvek is maybe add some verm to your wbs


Edited by kronnyQ (06/02/05 12:14 PM)


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: kronnyQ]
    #4247493 - 06/02/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i could understand how poo isn't,
but can you not find polyfill, or the drill?
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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247497 - 06/02/05 12:17 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

maybe i should have included the words "knowledgeable, experienced, and intelligent" in my post title.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247510 - 06/02/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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maybe i should have included the words "knowledgeable, experienced, and intelligent" in my post title.




to whom was that last comment directed, kind sir?


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247514 - 06/02/05 12:23 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Mabye you should look for the SEARCH button


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247528 - 06/02/05 12:29 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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1. how long does it usually take for a quart jar of WBS to show signs of growth after a multispore innoc? That depends on the amount of spore solution inoculated and how rich in spores the syringe was in the first place. I use 5-6 mills for a 1qt jar. 1 syringe for 2 jars. You usually will see signs of growth in about 4-6 days.

2. has anyone ever tried using corn or buckwheat as a spawn/substrate? how does it compare to WBS? Corn IME's isn't that great of a spawn. Week potency in fruits and doesn't give great inoculation coverage for bulk spawning. Never tried buckwheat.

3. im trying to find a filter material that i can cut into discs for my jars. will felt work? does anyone have any easy to find reccommendations? Felt could possibly work. Never heard anything about it. But poly fill is easier and you can get a bag of it for $2 at any department store. Just look in the fabrics section.

4. has it been confirmed that penningtons WBS is fungicide free? It does have a vitamin and mineral coating. As far as the  fungicides, I don't think so. I've used it for multispore innoculations with good resuts.

5. does the dilluted coffee method work for WBS? Yes. And rather well.

6. can anyone suggest any other additives i can put in my soak water when im hydrating my WBS? I am using WBS as a substrate for now, so an additive to increase potentcy or flush size would be helpful. Not really. Coffee on the other hand is your best bet. Add a pinch of gypsum also. Calcium is fantastic for healthy growth and helps prevent the grains from sticking.

Any and all advice is much appreciated.


Your welcome brother!!! :thumbup:


Edited by hotnutz (06/02/05 12:31 PM)


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: psilocyben]
    #4247569 - 06/02/05 12:47 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

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yousuck said:
maybe i should have included the words "knowledgeable, experienced, and intelligent" in my post title.




to whom was that last comment directed, kind sir?




directed at kronny and his "advice".

thanks hotnutz. see everyone? its not that hard to directly answer a question.

my main problem with using polyfill is that its just stuffing. i dont see how it could possibly be dense enough to keep contams out, and how something so fluffy can be screwed down over the lid. im using foil as my lid btw, so the whole drill thing is kinda moot.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247587 - 06/02/05 12:55 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

oh, post thought.

ive heard of this "tyvek" material coming free from the post office? can anyone elaborate on what exactly to look for at the post office? is this stuff better than or equal to polyfill?


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247614 - 06/02/05 01:07 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

Oh. You're using foil for the lids. I'd think that felt would work fine. Double up some coffee filters to put on the jar after you inoculate and store it in a clean container for colonization.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4247623 - 06/02/05 01:09 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

That was my next suggestion. Tyvek envelopes are available for free at the post office. But i'd double them up also. It's a cheap tyvek material.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: Hotnuts]
    #4248322 - 06/02/05 04:03 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

i dont want to start a new thread....

i have a choice between a 1/2" & a 1" substrate level (WBS). which do i do?

i did an inch using brown rice substrate, it flushed great the first time, the half as much the second time, still havent seen a third. i havent dunked them because dunking a casing creates mudd and ruins it, i just misted em a whole lot after the first and second flushes. so im not sure as to whether the second flush was a result of low moisture content, or whether my flushes are going to get progressively smaller due to crappy substrate.

i say this because im not sure as to the impact of substrate depth on the flush size and overall life of the casing.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4248339 - 06/02/05 04:06 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

I'd recommend 2-3" if you can do that. If not, 1" for sure.


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4249844 - 06/02/05 09:49 PM (11 years, 6 months ago)

^^ive heard of this "tyvek" material coming free from the post office? can anyone elaborate on what exactly to look for at the post office? is this stuff better than or equal to polyfill?

they are labeled "express mail" 12X15"envelopes and sitting right out on the counter at our post office. go and grab a hand full, they are free. (thanx uncle sam) :grin: as good as polystuff and eazier to use .

^^i have a choice between a 1/2" & a 1" substrate level (WBS). which do i do?

deeper substrate = bigger shrooms :smile:


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: deanofmean]
    #4251783 - 06/03/05 11:59 AM (11 years, 5 months ago)

thanks dean, if i decide to use foil as my lid, ill use tyvek. if i use a normal lid, ill use polyfill.

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deeper substrate = bigger shrooms




so the casing layer doesnt need to be deep then? i can do like a 3" sub layer and then a 1/2" casing layer? how do these layer correlate to eachother?


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4251814 - 06/03/05 12:15 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

they correlate at a 1:4 ratio.
casing= 1/4 the dapth of your substrate.
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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4251832 - 06/03/05 12:21 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

ok, one more WBS q:

in docs tek, he mentions that after simmering, you load the jars up 1/2 way before pressure cooking. i noticed when i did my first WBS jar that even though the seeds had reached its max absorbtion, whatever moisture that was on the seeds before pressure cooking got absorbed into the seeds and it expanded in the jars after.

so my question is: will the seeds expand further in the PC, and if so, how much should be in there so i end up with a jar thats 80% full?


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Re: ~~~in need of some WBS advice~~~ [Re: yousuck]
    #4251876 - 06/03/05 12:36 PM (11 years, 5 months ago)

for filter discs... i use floor register filters available at wal mart in the ac filter section(found that idea here somewhere) and cut to small squares to fit under a band lid and use bout 5 or six layers.... it makes a puffy filter like 3/4" thick when you screw them all down with the band lid... then cover the filtered lids with heavy duty foil.


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