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Sustainable DMT Source?
    #4247140 - 06/02/05 06:41 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I've been planning on getting a small indoor garden going, but I'm not quite sure what I want to get as far as a source of DMT. I really liked the idea of Phalaris, as it's easy to grow, easy to process and most importantly, I won't feel bad when I rip it up and do my stuff. Naturally I drifted towards Mimosa and Desmanthus Illinoensis, but then I have the problem that I just can't bring myself to rip it up and strip the roots. If anyone can recommend a source that has decent content and is sustainable it'd be a huge help, thanks.

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247151 - 06/02/05 06:50 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Psychotria viridis seems to be a good bet, anyone second this?

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247152 - 06/02/05 06:52 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Psychotria Viridis!

Thats a nice plant as well,containing Dimethyltryptamine.Phalaris grass contains other alkaloids like the 5-Methoxy analog,but by all means plant it as well...

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4247163 - 06/02/05 07:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Another idea would be Diplopteris species! You can make different kinds of ayahuasca by combining tryptamines that are relative...THis means you could have 3-4 tryptamine containing plants and combinethem in your potions so you dont have to strip bare the plants. Look here http://www.erowid.org/plants/diplopterys/diplopterys.shtml

Acacia Maidenii could be another option : http://www.erowid.org/plants/acacia/acacia.shtml .Bark is used,but...who disrespects foliage?

Lets think outside of the box: Mimosa hostilis =Bark only usefull .Thats the consensus ,that what many people say and stick by the rootbark.Has anyone thought that it might contain significant amount of tryptamines in its foliage? This needs some research as Mimosa Obutsifolia (i propably messed up the name) is reported to contain significant DMT content in foliage.

Have a very good read of this passage : http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/faqs/faqs_tryptamine.shtml . Its rather old but still an eye opener!

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247164 - 06/02/05 07:04 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

It was the unnecessary alkaloids in phalaris that made me start rethinking it. I'm not exactly sure as to what harmful drawbacks they might entail, so I figured it'd be best to just avoid it.

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247170 - 06/02/05 07:11 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I was giving Acacia some thought as well, seems they get quite large and I'm limited on space, so it doesn't seem like a viable option. I'll definately put some thought into Diplopterys cabrerana. A quick growing vine would be ideal, I think. Thanks for the info, I'll be sure to read up.

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247193 - 06/02/05 07:32 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Dont get disapointed with phalaris.Here is the case : It contains tryptamines but when some data came that it may have mostly 5Meo +a bit of gramine (i somehow doubt gramine presence) everyone kept regurgitating this info and noone tried phalaris.So from that point and on ,we have no data (or very few) on phalaris usage because everyone sticks to the "tried and unevoqualy true" tryptamine carriers.

As i see it have some phalaris as well..After all you may discover that a teaspoon of phalaris extract in the ayahuasca gives it "power" as amazonias would call it!

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4247200 - 06/02/05 07:38 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Suppose so, I mean there's no reason why I can't raise a few. Do you have any advice when it comes to what species? I'm sure there's atleast some minimal variance there.

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4247251 - 06/02/05 08:09 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

There are certain strains known to be of higher alkaloidal content,namely Phalaris AQ1 ,try googling it. Sow like normal grass but on a patch that doesnt have any other grasses on.

Some sources mention that after cutting the grass can loose potency (its clippings that is).Maybe degraded by some enzymes? Who knows...You could work around this though...

Two solutions:

A)Freeze the grass clippings that would slow degradation (if indeed there is ANY degradation) plus when it will though cell walls will break and it will be easier to utilize
B)Extract immediatelly using a blender or a grass juicer using small volume acidic aquaeous solution.Here we have two principals : First the acidic solution will turn the alkaloids in salts helping the extraction ,second the decreased pH may render the proposed degradation enzymes inactive.Then store in freezer!

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: Psiloman]
    #4247559 - 06/02/05 10:43 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

D. Caberana would be an awesome plant to have, but I only know of one site that sells em and they are like 75$....thats a bit inflamed I think.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: Chemical_Bliss]
    #4247791 - 06/02/05 11:57 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

P viridis is your best choice. It grows relatively fast compared to trees like m hostilis or some others. You can make a new plant or several plants from one leaf by rooting it. To harvest, you just take some of the leaves and they grow back


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #4247863 - 06/02/05 12:12 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Excellent, sounds perfect. Thanks.

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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: hnc]
    #4248041 - 06/02/05 12:55 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Kind of hard to grow phalaris grass indoors.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #4248782 - 06/02/05 03:33 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

id say phalaris, i have a bunch of it, as well as 3 Psychotria Viridis that are getting pretty big and healthy after an aphid infestation.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: jben]
    #4248854 - 06/02/05 03:42 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

Another thing, it'd be really hard to get any good DMT from Phalaris, at least DMT in crystal form that can be smoked out of a glass pipe. I'd say your best bet is Desmanthus illinoensis.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #4249008 - 06/02/05 04:09 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

crystal form i dont know why it would matter on what plant was used, its the same extraction methods but i could be wrong. im guessing you just mean because it has a low % of dmt for the amount of grass needed....... but the choice is up to you, because theres so much information on the internet on all the different plants and extraction methods.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: jben]
    #4249102 - 06/02/05 04:38 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I meant, to get good smokeable DMT from Phalaris grass would be hard. Sure, you can use the same extraction process as you would with other DMT containing plants, but the product will be of a lesser quality. Getting a good dose of DMT, vaporized into your lungs within 30 seconds to a minute, is pretty hard if the product isn't very pure. I've found that the orange waxy DMT is way harder to smoke (a full dose) than the translucent DMT that went through many recrystallizations in the extraction process.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: LiveByFreedom]
    #4249167 - 06/02/05 04:59 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

ohhh, alright thanks for clearin it up dood. hehe i am going to stick to the oral injestion method when i try it for my first time, then when i think i can master extractiing it with basic chemistry, then ill do it.


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: jben]
    #4251425 - 06/03/05 05:56 AM (18 years, 9 months ago)

i saw a short paper (in the journal of chromatography) in which a Phalaris species was run through a 2-D TLC & something like 24 different alkaloids were visible on the paper... (& some of 'em (like gramine) pretty nasty...)


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Re: Sustainable DMT Source? [Re: gnrm23]
    #4252191 - 06/03/05 12:51 PM (18 years, 9 months ago)

I would say M. Desmanthus(sp.?)- easy as fuck to grow. They grow like silk trees do here in the SE. and with great yeilds.


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